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Carl Zeiss vs Prakticar
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:45 pm    Post subject: Carl Zeiss vs Prakticar Reply with quote

Hi everybody,

I've had a Praktica BX20 camera with a Prakticar 50/1.8 with me for quite some time now, and I recently decided to extend my lens arsenal, more specifically with a wide and a telephoto lens, but I don't know which way to go. As of the PB mounts, there are 'two' big competitors in this area:

Pentacon Prakticar 28/2.8 vs Carl Zeiss Jena 28/2.8
and also
Pentacon Prakticar 135/2.8 vs Carl zeiss Jena 135/3.5

I've been scouting the internet for a while now, but I haven't found any good topics discussing these lenses side by side, and maybe you guys could help me out with this.

Also, I was thinking about purchasing an M42/PB converter and buying an M42 lens. Would that be a better choice than staying with the PB mounts?

Thanks in advance.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Carl Zeiss vs Prakticar Reply with quote

Hi,

these are the same lenses made by Pentacon, just for different markets:
Fl00der wrote:

Pentacon Prakticar 28/2.8 vs Carl Zeiss Jena 28/2.8


I would recommend CZJ Prakticar 135/3.5
Fl00der wrote:

Pentacon Prakticar 135/2.8 vs Carl zeiss Jena 135/3.5


Zeiss Jena lenses are considered to be better than usual Prakticars. Jena Prakticars also have M42 brothers, like 20/2.8, 35/2.4, 50/1.8, 80/1.8 and 135/3.5. Other Zeiss Jena Prakticar lenses like 28/2.4 (extremely rare), 50/1.4, 55/2.8 Macro, 200/2.8 and 300/4 can be found with PB bayonet only.

You may get CZJ Prakticar 35/2.4 for wide angle. With some luck both Jena Prakticars 35/2.4 and 135/3.5 can be found for around 150 EUR together.

There are plenty of good M42 lenses. It depends what is currently available for You. Pentax Takumars are good, CZJ as well.

Best regards Max.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no experience with Praktica cameras, but I have adapted one of the 50mm f/2.4 Prakticar lenses for use with my Pentax cameras and can report that the results can be "different" … an interesting "pancake-style" lens Smile
East-German (DDR) made PB-fit lenses not marked Zeiss Jena (or similar) are mostly (if not all) older Meyer Optik designs, and although possibly not quite as sophisticated are certainly well-recommended!
Many of the Zeiss wide-angle lenses have a degree of collector status in their own right, especially those based on the Flektogon designs … this will skew the price!
Some later lenses, although marked Zeiss or similar, are of Japanese origin. German-made lenses have appropriate markings on the lens mount, in my experience.
Tamron made a PB adaptor for their highly-regarded Adaptall-2 range of lenses.
The Pentacon supplied M42-PB adaptor, giving access to an almost infinite range of older lenses, many of which can be found very economically … some of which can be eye-wateringly expensive, doesn't give all the level of automation of a "native" PB-mount lens. It's usefulness may depend on your level of experience with older lenses.
Enjoy Smile


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Max 78 in this. First one is the same lens. As for Pentacon 135 2.8 and Jena 135 3.5, the first is a good lens, but not too special, while the CZJ is a very good one, fairly cheap, very sharp, beautiful colors. I really enjoy using it, much more than the Pentacon (had several, sold all of them). I once compared the 135mm 3.5 in its m42 and PB mounts (not only the mount changes, also the barrel is different) and the results were indeed identical. Which was expected, but I "had it tested" Smile


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a 35mm 2.4 PB version, is it same lens as flektogon?


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiddo wrote:
There's a 35mm 2.4 PB version, is it same lens as flektogon?

Yes.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
kiddo wrote:
There's a 35mm 2.4 PB version, is it same lens as flektogon?

Yes.


They have the same optics but different build, and build quality. A lot of copy variation on the Praktica's.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good copy of the 2.4/35 is a serious rival to a Distagon or Super-Angulon, I have all three and they have different qualities but I couldn't chose a 'best' from them.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 35mm 2.4 Flektogon has a lot of chromatic aberrations wide open. Much more than I expected when I first used it. And this is very seldom mentioned in the many online reviews there are around. I feel like, since it is expensive and something of a cult lens, noone dares to go against it. Nice lens, but with that problem.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, I want to know if PB mount's 2.4 version elements would fit in the flex lens, to swap some of the elements,az the PB mount I can find it cheaper and I've got a flek with issues on its elements


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zamo wrote:
The 35mm 2.4 Flektogon has a lot of chromatic aberrations wide open. Much more than I expected when I first used it. And this is very seldom mentioned in the many online reviews there are around. I feel like, since it is expensive and something of a cult lens, noone dares to go against it. Nice lens, but with that problem.


Maybe you had a bad copy? The Prakticar 2.4/35 I have doesn't exhibit much CA.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

15 or 20 years ago I used to have the 35/2,4 and 50/1,8 MC (white MC and red MC ones) Jena lenses in M42 mount.
I couldn't decide which to use as normal lens.
Mine copies had LCA in green side.
The Flektogon had strong contrast and sharper center at f/2,4 to f/5,6.
The bokeh of the Pancolar was less distractive to me.
If the f/2,4 isn't so low for the user, this lens is my option.