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Voigtlander APO macro lanthar M42
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Voigtlander APO macro lanthar M42 Reply with quote
Click here to see on Ebay

Not seen so often with this mount.

Don't you think that is a quite crazy price?
I mean, for this money, Canon, Nikon, Leica & Co. cannot offer anything better?

This is just a speculation. I never spend so much on a single lens. I think that my whole camera park worths this single lens....


PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes , crazy ... I remember for regular price around 600-700 USD.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila -- the same happened to Contax Carl Zeiss ..

look at this - prices officially set at the time when these lenses produced:
605 GBP = Distagon 1.4/35 MM
686 GBP = Distagon 2.8/21 MM (was MM only anyway)
588 GBP = Distagon 4/18 MM version!!

-- yes - I agree that we have inflation and BLA BLA but see the DIFF

SO WHAT?

everything is crazy ...

tf


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those prices around 1000 USD, link above say 2500 USD,

Carl Zeiss top lenses like Distagon 35mm and 21mm wasn't much cheaper if remember as well. Except mine 220 GBP Smile


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Yes , crazy ... I remember for regular price around 600-700 USD.


You must be an old man... Razz

There was already one on ebay for almost $2400 for some time, so nothing is new. They are not selling.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is what I mean:
https://photo-shop.zeiss.com/en/Products/1762-852
Direct from factory, brand new, around 2K$ Including VAT.
Ok, It doesn't say "APO" but at this point I don't know where tech stops and where sales fluff starts. If someone knows the actual differences of these two constructions (I guess both made by cosina) I'd be happy to learn something new.
Back to the APO, see current prices of spanking new voigts':
http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_asan6m4dvf.html
I think that if they would make another run of APO Macro could cost double, not four time as much.

When buying stuff, it's better to ponder with the brain rather than with the stomach Confused

Sometimes this is true for me also Embarassed


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
AhamB wrote:
Attila wrote:
Yes , crazy ... I remember for regular price around 600-700 USD.


You must be an old man... Razz

There was already one on ebay for almost $2400 for some time, so nothing is new. They are not selling.


Laughing

People need expensive stuff like Leica camera, Rolex watch , etc. I guess this lens is one of them. Naturally expensive stuff is very good , but they not make me happier either. I have also many $$$ lens , camera. Just I select rather older ones.


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
paperinik wrote:
I think that if they would make another run of APO Macro could cost double, not four time as much.


I don't think so. The Cosina made Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90/3.5 is not so expensive and now it's available in EF-mount too with auto aperture. It's only the popularity, rarity and good quality (and evil spirit of evilbay sellers Evil or Very Mad) of the APO-Lanthars that has driven up the price so much (especially the 125/2.5).


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AhamB wrote:
paperinik wrote:
I think that if they would make another run of APO Macro could cost double, not four time as much.


I don't think so. The Cosina made Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90/3.5 is not so expensive and now it's available in EF-mount too with auto aperture. It's only the popularity, rarity and good quality (and evil spirit of evilbay sellers Evil or Very Mad) of the APO-Lanthars that has driven up the price so much (especially the 125/2.5).


+1

and I am adding that Cosina know all about these issues .. and they set the price at higher level than needed ..

....


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AhamB wrote:
paperinik wrote:
I think that if they would make another run of APO Macro could cost double, not four time as much.


I don't think so. The Cosina made Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90/3.5 is not so expensive and now it's available in EF-mount too with auto aperture. It's only the popularity, rarity and good quality (and evil spirit of evilbay sellers Evil or Very Mad) of the APO-Lanthars that has driven up the price so much (especially the 125/2.5).


Sorry?
There is something I that I don't understand...
-Who actually made The original APO Macro sold in this acuction?
-How much used to cost during production?
-Is there some big technologic gap between current Zeiss 90 mm macro linked above?- I mean, lens design, construction, glass used...

It's very difficult to me to orientate in this mess of nouns and trademarks, since I don't think that modern Lanthars actually have lanthanum glasses, and every high resolution lens has apocromatic correction as well.

Thanks to anyone who will clear the fog i have on this argument, in the meanwhile I'll read the post dedicated to the APO Lanthars Neutral

Thanks again!


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
paperinik wrote:
AhamB wrote:
paperinik wrote:
I think that if they would make another run of APO Macro could cost double, not four time as much.


I don't think so. The Cosina made Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90/3.5 is not so expensive and now it's available in EF-mount too with auto aperture. It's only the popularity, rarity and good quality (and evil spirit of evilbay sellers Evil or Very Mad) of the APO-Lanthars that has driven up the price so much (especially the 125/2.5).


Sorry?
There is something I that I don't understand...
-Who actually made The original APO Macro sold in this auction?
-How much used to cost during production?
-Is there some big technologic gap between current Zeiss 90 mm macro linked above?- I mean, lens design, construction, glass used...


The SL Voigtländers were also produced by Cosina (some info here). The new SLII series have been restyled a little bit (more bland, not as nice) but they are the same optical designs. We don't know if Cosina will re-issue the apo-lanthars 125/2.5 and 180/4 (and color-heliar 75/2.5).

I think the original APO-Lanthar 125 was sold new around $600-700 like Atilla said?

The Zeiss 100/2.0 Makro-Planar is a very good lens but not apochromatic at all, unfortunately. It's an adaptation of the original Contax Planar 100/2.0 which wasn't a macro lens (just a very good fast tele). I don't know why it's so expensive, to be honest. It's faster than any other (fullframe) 100mm macro lens and extremely contrasty and sharp, so I guess that has to cost something. Of course you also pay for Zeiss name. The Voigtländer line will be positioned below the Zeiss, so if they reissue the 125/2.5, it should be quite a bit less expensive than the Zeiss MP100/2.0.

You cannot really compare the Voigtländer 90/3.5 to the Zeiss MP100/2.0. The Zeiss is much faster and is a macro lens (1:2), whereas the Voigtländer is close focus (1:3.5 or something) and becomes macro with the supplied close-up filter. The Voigtländer is extremely sharp from wide open and has very good bokeh, but has a very neutral drawing style I'm told. Colors and contrast are not special. The Zeiss has a completely different signature, with very high microcontrast and saturated colors (and also extremely good bokeh).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AhamB wrote:

The SL Voigtländers were also produced by Cosina (some info here)


Thanks Very Happy

I think we should make a petition to Cosina for another production run!!!!!


PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: asking price for Lanthar Reply with quote
The seller in the US hasn't sold this lens, he's just hoping that someone will be desperate enough to fall for his trick. If there was a ready market at this price, he would have sold it already. In fact, this seller has never sold a lens of this quality or high value. It's a rare lens but not worth an unlimited amount of money.

I'm also in the business of collecting luxury swiss watches. The US dealers offer them internationally at very inflated prices in the hope that someone will be so uninformed that they will make a purchase. the seller only has to find one buyer to make a killing.

the price being asked has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of manufacture!!!

So resist the temptation and watch the price drop.....


PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: asking price for Lanthar Reply with quote
luke cern wrote:

So resist the temptation and watch the price drop.....


It won't be difficult Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
AhamB wrote:

The Voigtländer line will be positioned below the Zeiss, so if they reissue the 125/2.5, it should be quite a bit less expensive than the Zeiss MP100/2.0.

But the CV125 is 1:1 while the CZ MP100 is 1:2 Shocked
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