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 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: Why the "Star Wars" designation for CZJ lenses? |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Today I have received a Carl Zeiss Jena 50mm f/2 Pancolar in M42 mount (rare in this mount) and with the well-known "Star Wars" design.
Now, what I still don't understand is why this design is called "Star Wars"? I could not find any links about it. Please let me know why it's called this way, thanks 
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LucisPictor wrote:
Wow! That's a fantastic lens!
Where do you find all these gems?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Why the "Star Wars" designation for CZJ lenses |
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WolverineX wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
Today I have received a Carl Zeiss Jena 50mm f/2 Pancolar in M42 mount (rare in this mount) and with the well-known "Star Wars" design.
Now, what I still don't understand is why this design is called "Star Wars"? I could not find any links about it. Please let me know why it's called this way, thanks
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i guess they called it "Star Wars" design because of those black shapes where the red line for focusing distance is, they look similar to the markings on Star Wars space ships
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poilu wrote:
look sexy!
now that you collected all the Takumars, you switch on Zeiss 
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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Wow! That's a fantastic lens!
Where do you find all these gems? |
On the local "Marktplaats" of course
To be fair: it's the first one I saw for sale in The Netherlands when I started to check out EVERY classified ad with "Praktica" in it. And I started three years ago... It was fitted to a Praktica PL Nova Ib in great condiction, though the camera is of little value to me...)
But any Pancolar is VERY rare in The Netherlands. Of 1000 Prakticas, only 1 of them would be fitted with a 50mm Pancolar.
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why the "Star Wars" designation for CZJ lenses |
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Spotmatic wrote:
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i guess they called it "Star Wars" design because of those black shapes where the red line for focusing distance is, they look similar to the markings on Star Wars space ships |
Thanks! I will check out some photos of Star Wars spaceships. But even then It would be nice to know who used this name first. Was it on this forum?
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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look sexy!
now that you collected all the Takumars, you switch on Zeiss |
All the Takumars? Not anymore; I only kept the true jewels and sold off the rest. So I have now more time and space to search for other hidden gems 
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CarbonR wrote:
I found two SMC Tak 15/3.5 AL, you found this 50/2 Pancolar (I like the design !), I think we can strike "rare" from the dictionnary 
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
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| I found two SMC Tak 15/3.5 AL, you found this 50/2 Pancolar (I like the design !), I think we can strike "rare" from the dictionnary |
LOL! It isn't rare anymore when CarbonR and/or Spotmatic have found one
But I now understand why it's called the "Star Wars" version. Look at the depth of field scale and then watch the intro of "Star Wars":
Now it all comes together...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why the "Star Wars" designation for CZJ lenses |
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Olivier wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| WolverineX wrote: |
i guess they called it "Star Wars" design because of those black shapes where the red line for focusing distance is, they look similar to the markings on Star Wars space ships |
Thanks! I will check out some photos of Star Wars spaceships. But even then It would be nice to know who used this name first. Was it on this forum? |
I guess it is the reason.
Those black shapes are on my "starwars" Sonnar 2.8/180 :
http://forum.mflenses.com/some-sonnar-2-8-180-shots-t28288,highlight,sonnar+180.html
cheers,
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Orio wrote:
In fact, I never called it star wars, for me it's the "bugnato" which in Italian means that Renaissance style decoration on walls and doors like you can see here, this is the outer walls of the Palazzo dei Diamanti in Ferrara:
Obviously there must be an English architectural term for this, but I ignore it.
Anyway, if it must be science fiction, then I think that UFO is more appropriate
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Farside wrote:
I first saw that design called 'Star Wars' on here, a couple of years ago.
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walter g wrote:
Nice looking lens.
You know I have to say it.
May the Force be with you.
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fourmix wrote:
Looks like Space ship design of the Empire.
And also to stormtrooper design. |
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exaklaus wrote:
Never heard about that this is called the "star wars" design.
OK, will never forget that, now 
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What is rare about this mount? is it what the mount is made of? Sorry 
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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| M42 mount (rare in this mount) |
What is rare about this mount? is it what the mount is made of? Sorry |
Oh no, I meant to say that you have a 99% chance to find this Pancolar 2/50 with an Exakta mount. To find this lens with a M42 mount is much rarer...
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mo wrote:
Thanks I understand now! Good find indeed. 
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I picked up my minty Star Wars Pancolar 50/2 as the standard lens on a Praktica IV FB if it helps anyone with a search
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Attila wrote:
Somebody start to call 'Star Wars' design here so don't think link outside name was born here. I don't remember who is God father
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