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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
Click here to see on Ebay
Seems like a pretty good price if you can avoid the VAT. 
Edit: I'm not affiliated to the seller. I just came across this and thought I'd share.
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
Foto-Hobby is notorious for the old VAT nugget - I've read elsewhere that the legality of what she's/they're doing is dubious at best. I'm not an expert in VAT, but I didn't get a response when I asked in the past about whether or not what they're doing is legal...
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AhamB
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
Isn't it like importing (buying) a lens from the US to a EU country? There's a big chance you have to pay import duty and VAT, which would amount to something close to 22% (maybe a bit less). You don't get charged for it in each case though. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| Mal1905 wrote: |
| Foto-Hobby is notorious for the old VAT nugget - I've read elsewhere that the legality of what she's/they're doing is dubious at best. I'm not an expert in VAT, but I didn't get a response when I asked in the past about whether or not what they're doing is legal... |
+1 I think illegal, in my country you can't sell used products to private persons without VAT. I think this is pretty nasty what is he doing so I am avoid to buy from him. I bought my G1 around this price in USA and thanks for Bill's help it is landed in my hands safety.
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vulko
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vulko wrote:
Whats a VAT? |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Value Added Tax.I every products what you buy xx% is VAT. Here we have 25%
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AhamB
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Mal1905 wrote: |
| Foto-Hobby is notorious for the old VAT nugget - I've read elsewhere that the legality of what she's/they're doing is dubious at best. I'm not an expert in VAT, but I didn't get a response when I asked in the past about whether or not what they're doing is legal... |
+1 I think illegal, in my country you can't sell used products to private persons without VAT. I think this is pretty nasty what is he doing so I am avoid to buy from him. I bought my G1 around this price in USA and thanks for Bill's help it is landed in my hands safety. |
So did you pay import duties/tax then? Otherwise your purchase may be illegal... (like all those sellers who ship their items marked as gift of $1 value.)
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
yes.
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vulko
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vulko wrote:
25% is a lot of money. You either save a lot of cash or get insurance that your item will be fixed, but just the manufacture fail. Not if you crack lens or smth like that. |
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Mal1905
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
| AhamB wrote: |
| Isn't it like importing (buying) a lens from the US to a EU country? There's a big chance you have to pay import duty and VAT, which would amount to something close to 22% (maybe a bit less). You don't get charged for it in each case though. |
No, it's not.
What Foto-Hobby are doing is charging VAT on items shipped within the EU - VAT is not applicable if the item is being shipped to a country outside the EU. Unless you're a business and are VAT registered, the VAT is always included in the selling price for pretty much everything we buy (at least here in Ireland). Imagine going into a shop and being told that the jeans you're buying are liable to a further 22% as you live in the city the shop is in
In Foto-Hobby's case, this 22% is more like an "Idiot Tax" - anybody who falls for it, and agrees to paying nearly a quarter of the value of the goods on top of the buy-price, deserves to be robbed...
Just my 22% worth 
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AhamB
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
@Mal: I see your point. I'm not sure if it's really illegal - I've seen more (regular, not ebay) shops that use ex. VAT prices. It's possible that the regulations have changed over the years though. |
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vulko
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vulko wrote:
AhamB,
if it is considered as a gift there is no VAT. Your payment though is also considered as a gift in that case. |
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Mal1905
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
The VAT on the bad-boy in the link below will amount to some chunk of change 
Click here to see on Ebay
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 4/135 1Q, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2/28 T*, 1.4/35 T*, Ultron 1.8/50, Tessar 2.8/50, Planar 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.4/85 T* AEG, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
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