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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Question about Chinon lens |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
I would like known if is a good productor and if their lens are equiparable to Pentax.
Eventually you could said wich lens avoid and wich lens are good.
Also I would like known if Chinon lens are good regarding flare.
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: Chinon lenses |
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scsambrook wrote:
Some of the fixed focal lengths are very good indeed, although they seem to me not so well made as Pentax lenses - and usually larger in size for similar types. In UK at least they are still not expensive to buy. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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Jieffe
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 754 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Chinon lenses |
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Jieffe wrote:
scsambrook wrote: |
Some of the fixed focal lengths are very good indeed, although they seem to me not so well made as Pentax lenses - and usually larger in size for similar types. In UK at least they are still not expensive to buy. |
I second that. I have a 135mm and a 45mm pancake. They are fully compatible with Pentax (no A pin however) but also no "infamous" Ricoh pin, thus safe to use on AF Pentax (D)SLR. |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
Which version of 135 mm do you have?
Could you post some significant shoot at maximum aperture?
How to behave towards the flare? |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I have the 200mm F3.5 which is very good at F5.6 and smaller. Not bad wide open. I found it to be sharper than the 200mm S-M-C Tak with better saturation and no problems with CA or flare. The 200mm 3.3 is a stinker though so avoid! _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
There are multiple versions of chinon lenses. Auto chinons are single coated. I have a set myself: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10403737@N03/3761447285/
These are nice lenses. I find their build quality to be only slightly less than pentax aside from chinon's weaker aperture mechanism. As far as flare, they have never really presented a problem. I'm a bit obsessive over proper hoods however. So there is always one on my lenses.
There are multi-coated versions as well. They are marked as such. It is probably hard to say who would win in a flare-off but most likely a S-M-C or SMC pentax would take the cake. I can't really comment on their quality. Above average would be my guess. |
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Jieffe
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 754 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Jieffe wrote:
alelinuxbsd wrote: |
Which version of 135 mm do you have?
Could you post some significant shoot at maximum aperture?
How to behave towards the flare? |
Thinking of it, it is a M42 version ... (the pancake is in K mount, hence my mistake). The lens is not at my place, I could make some tests next weekend. |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
Maybe my mistake as well. I assumed the post was asking about m42. But maybe K? Most of chinon's lenses were adapted to both. Some were not, like the pancake. They should be identical otherwise though. |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
For the moment I see K bayonet, however perhaps i think len are the same.
I see random many shoot but i don't found 135 mm shoot.
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
I don't have any pictures in my profile from the chinons. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
In M42 mount I found the 28mm soft at the edges and the 135mm very good, although prone to a bit of CA. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
Is the CA simple to correct on postwork or not?
So is it good even wide-open?
Please could you send some shoot (especially wide-open)? |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
Here are a few from the desk top. Auto Chinon 135mm f/2.8
All samples shot at 2.8
CROP
CROP
This lens gets progressively sharper as you stop down. I think this lens performs well above average. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
Pentax: ME-Soptmatic
Ricoh:XR6
Pentax- K10D
Lenses- M42's-Nikon F mount, Pentax PK
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Crop
Crop
_________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
Shrek
Which camera and Iso do you use for the example?
Is the 135mm f/2.8 or the f/3.5?
Very interesting the shoot on the Mandarin Duck because is against the sun but i don't see CA where is present only a little on the head of the gull.
spiralcity
Perhaps have you use a Pentax k20d? But which iso?
Some outdoor shoot in critical light with detailed subject?
How many blades are the 2.8 and the 3.5?
Also, in generale, why is so difficult found information about chinon lens? |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
alelinuxbsd wrote: |
Shrek
Which camera and Iso do you use for the example?
Is the 135mm f/2.8 or the f/3.5?
Very interesting the shoot on the Mandarin Duck because is against the sun but i don't see CA where is present only a little on the head of the gull.
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The first was shot at f4 ISO 200 on a Sony a100, the second was f5.6 ISO 100 on a Sony a200 and the third was at f2.8 at ISO 200 on a Sony a200.
I owned 2 copies of this lens, and the bottom picture was from the second copy I owned. The Mandarin was desaturated (I think) to remove some blue CA around the white feathers.
Overall though they are good lenses which can usually be bought quite cheaply!
_________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
themoleman342 has had problem with the aperture on their older single coated lens now is the situation better?
Eventually could you send some shoot (2.8 or maximum 3.5) for test specifically regarding the flare? |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Part of the fun of older lenses is that they are really cheap to buy, and if you're not happy with them you can sell them on for usually the same amount or even more. Maybe you should try a few _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
alelinuxbsd wrote: |
Shrek
Which camera and Iso do you use for the example?
Is the 135mm f/2.8 or the f/3.5?
Very interesting the shoot on the Mandarin Duck because is against the sun but i don't see CA where is present only a little on the head of the gull.
spiralcity
Perhaps have you use a Pentax k20d? But which iso?
Some outdoor shoot in critical light with detailed subject?
How many blades are the 2.8 and the 3.5?
Also, in generale, why is so difficult found information about chinon lens? |
I havent taken this lens out in quite some time. I just did some very basic desk top shots. (ISO 200)
I rarley shoot over this ISO, low light or not.
These lenses are cheap. I suggest buying one and giving it a test, if you dont like it you can always sell it on the bay.
I truly havent used mine enough to notice any critical CA. From what I have seen this lens performs well and mine is solid with no aperture problems at all.
If your worried about flare I suggest using a lens hood.
The 2.8 Auto Chinon has 6 blades.
I own at least 8 Chinon lenses and I havent had a single mechanical problem with any of them.
Here are some pics I posted on another thread of Chinon 135 2.8. Thes I think were shot at about 5.6.
_________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
Pentax: ME-Soptmatic
Ricoh:XR6
Pentax- K10D
Lenses- M42's-Nikon F mount, Pentax PK
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
Nice.
I'm your opposite when i go to an event in general is an indoor event or night event so the wide open is a necessity.
Unfortunately often the strobes are positioned very bad so the presence of an eventual len hood don't help much.
What price is good for buy a Chinon? |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Mate
Seriously they are like £10-£15, really cheap. Just go and try one _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
alelinuxbsd wrote: |
Nice.
I'm your opposite when i go to an event in general is an indoor event or night event so the wide open is a necessity.
Unfortunately often the strobes are positioned very bad so the presence of an eventual len hood don't help much.
What price is good for buy a Chinon? |
30.00 - 40.00 USD.
Many times you may find them a bit cheaper. I think I paid 30.00 USD for my copy. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
Pentax: ME-Soptmatic
Ricoh:XR6
Pentax- K10D
Lenses- M42's-Nikon F mount, Pentax PK
FREE PHOTOGRAPHY COURSE |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
I bought the Auto Chinon Multi-coated 135mm F2.8 PK.
When it arrive I will do some shoot (don't test shoot but real shoot).
Note:
This is my first full-manual lens but probably don't the last ...
Yes before I bought even a 50 mm but was an A series so it is partially
automatic. |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
alelinuxbsd wrote: |
I bought the Auto Chinon Multi-coated 135mm F2.8 PK.
When it arrive I will do some shoot (don't test shoot but real shoot).
Note:
This is my first full-manual lens but probably don't the last ...
Yes before I bought even a 50 mm but was an A series so it is partially
automatic. |
Interesting, I haven't seen the PK version before. Let us know how it performs please! _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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alelinuxbsd
Joined: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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alelinuxbsd wrote:
Sure.
Note:
Obviously the 50 mm that i referred was a Pentax series A
to avoid misunderstandings. |
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