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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Question about Chinon lens Reply with quote

I would like known if is a good productor and if their lens are equiparable to Pentax.
Eventually you could said wich lens avoid and wich lens are good.

Also I would like known if Chinon lens are good regarding flare.

Thanks. Smile


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Chinon lenses Reply with quote

Some of the fixed focal lengths are very good indeed, although they seem to me not so well made as Pentax lenses - and usually larger in size for similar types. In UK at least they are still not expensive to buy.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Chinon lenses Reply with quote

scsambrook wrote:
Some of the fixed focal lengths are very good indeed, although they seem to me not so well made as Pentax lenses - and usually larger in size for similar types. In UK at least they are still not expensive to buy.

I second that. I have a 135mm and a 45mm pancake. They are fully compatible with Pentax (no A pin however) but also no "infamous" Ricoh pin, thus safe to use on AF Pentax (D)SLR.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which version of 135 mm do you have?

Could you post some significant shoot at maximum aperture?

How to behave towards the flare?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the 200mm F3.5 which is very good at F5.6 and smaller. Not bad wide open. I found it to be sharper than the 200mm S-M-C Tak with better saturation and no problems with CA or flare. The 200mm 3.3 is a stinker though so avoid!


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are multiple versions of chinon lenses. Auto chinons are single coated. I have a set myself: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10403737@N03/3761447285/
These are nice lenses. I find their build quality to be only slightly less than pentax aside from chinon's weaker aperture mechanism. As far as flare, they have never really presented a problem. I'm a bit obsessive over proper hoods however. So there is always one on my lenses.

There are multi-coated versions as well. They are marked as such. It is probably hard to say who would win in a flare-off but most likely a S-M-C or SMC pentax would take the cake. I can't really comment on their quality. Above average would be my guess.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alelinuxbsd wrote:
Which version of 135 mm do you have?

Could you post some significant shoot at maximum aperture?

How to behave towards the flare?

Thinking of it, it is a M42 version ... (the pancake is in K mount, hence my mistake). The lens is not at my place, I could make some tests next weekend.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe my mistake as well. I assumed the post was asking about m42. But maybe K? Most of chinon's lenses were adapted to both. Some were not, like the pancake. They should be identical otherwise though.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the moment I see K bayonet, however perhaps i think len are the same.

themoleman342 wrote:
There are multiple versions of chinon lenses. Auto chinons are single coated. I have a set myself: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10403737@N03/3761447285/


I see random many shoot but i don't found 135 mm shoot.
Confused


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any pictures in my profile from the chinons.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In M42 mount I found the 28mm soft at the edges and the 135mm very good, although prone to a bit of CA.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the CA simple to correct on postwork or not?

So is it good even wide-open?

Please could you send some shoot (especially wide-open)?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are a few from the desk top. Auto Chinon 135mm f/2.8

All samples shot at 2.8



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This lens gets progressively sharper as you stop down. I think this lens performs well above average.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shrek
Which camera and Iso do you use for the example?
Is the 135mm f/2.8 or the f/3.5?

Very interesting the shoot on the Mandarin Duck because is against the sun but i don't see CA where is present only a little on the head of the gull.

spiralcity
Perhaps have you use a Pentax k20d? But which iso?
Some outdoor shoot in critical light with detailed subject?

How many blades are the 2.8 and the 3.5?

Also, in generale, why is so difficult found information about chinon lens?


PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alelinuxbsd wrote:
Shrek
Which camera and Iso do you use for the example?
Is the 135mm f/2.8 or the f/3.5?

Very interesting the shoot on the Mandarin Duck because is against the sun but i don't see CA where is present only a little on the head of the gull.


The first was shot at f4 ISO 200 on a Sony a100, the second was f5.6 ISO 100 on a Sony a200 and the third was at f2.8 at ISO 200 on a Sony a200.

I owned 2 copies of this lens, and the bottom picture was from the second copy I owned. The Mandarin was desaturated (I think) to remove some blue CA around the white feathers.

Overall though they are good lenses which can usually be bought quite cheaply!





PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

themoleman342 has had problem with the aperture on their older single coated lens now is the situation better?

Eventually could you send some shoot (2.8 or maximum 3.5) for test specifically regarding the flare?


PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the fun of older lenses is that they are really cheap to buy, and if you're not happy with them you can sell them on for usually the same amount or even more. Maybe you should try a few Wink


PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alelinuxbsd wrote:
Shrek
Which camera and Iso do you use for the example?
Is the 135mm f/2.8 or the f/3.5?

Very interesting the shoot on the Mandarin Duck because is against the sun but i don't see CA where is present only a little on the head of the gull.

spiralcity
Perhaps have you use a Pentax k20d? But which iso?
Some outdoor shoot in critical light with detailed subject?

How many blades are the 2.8 and the 3.5?

Also, in generale, why is so difficult found information about chinon lens?


I havent taken this lens out in quite some time. I just did some very basic desk top shots. (ISO 200)

I rarley shoot over this ISO, low light or not.

These lenses are cheap. I suggest buying one and giving it a test, if you dont like it you can always sell it on the bay.

I truly havent used mine enough to notice any critical CA. From what I have seen this lens performs well and mine is solid with no aperture problems at all.

If your worried about flare I suggest using a lens hood.

The 2.8 Auto Chinon has 6 blades.

I own at least 8 Chinon lenses and I havent had a single mechanical problem with any of them.

Here are some pics I posted on another thread of Chinon 135 2.8. Thes I think were shot at about 5.6.







PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice.

I'm your opposite when i go to an event in general is an indoor event or night event so the wide open is a necessity.

Unfortunately often the strobes are positioned very bad so the presence of an eventual len hood don't help much. Confused

What price is good for buy a Chinon?


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate

Seriously they are like £10-£15, really cheap. Just go and try one Smile


PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alelinuxbsd wrote:
Nice.

I'm your opposite when i go to an event in general is an indoor event or night event so the wide open is a necessity.

Unfortunately often the strobes are positioned very bad so the presence of an eventual len hood don't help much. Confused

What price is good for buy a Chinon?


30.00 - 40.00 USD.

Many times you may find them a bit cheaper. I think I paid 30.00 USD for my copy.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the Auto Chinon Multi-coated 135mm F2.8 PK.
When it arrive I will do some shoot (don't test shoot but real shoot). Cool

Note:
This is my first full-manual lens but probably don't the last ... Cool
Yes before I bought even a 50 mm but was an A series so it is partially
automatic. Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alelinuxbsd wrote:
I bought the Auto Chinon Multi-coated 135mm F2.8 PK.
When it arrive I will do some shoot (don't test shoot but real shoot). Cool

Note:
This is my first full-manual lens but probably don't the last ... Cool
Yes before I bought even a 50 mm but was an A series so it is partially
automatic. Rolling Eyes


Interesting, I haven't seen the PK version before. Let us know how it performs please! Smile


PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure. Smile

Note:
Obviously the 50 mm that i referred was a Pentax series A
to avoid misunderstandings.