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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: The Bokeh Files |
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woodrim wrote:
There is something I myself would like to see, and I'm wondering if others might too. I'm thinking of creating a collection of bokeh examples from various lenses. I'd be willing to organize the results unless someone else feels compelled to do so.
What I am thinking is to have submissions from you forum members. Each person that participates can submit images from ... maybe up to three lenses (I'm not sure if there should be a limit). I suggest we define the parameters around the images from each lens. For instance, the type of subject and background, as well as aperture - wide open and a couple more so that we can see how a lens does while stopped down as well as fully open. Keeping it to scenes that can be easily replicated, not exactly, but similarly, will allow for direct comparisons. But I would like others to contribute to ideas of how to define the parameters.
I would like to organize and display the images without identifying the lens or contributing photographer, so the images should be newly created and not shared or published elsewhere. There can and probably would be multiple submissions from different photographers, but from the same type lens. This is okay. The final step after all is organized and presented is to comment or evaluate the results, but not on the lens/pictures you submitted (to keep objectivity).
Just some initial thoughts. Any interest? _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Dr.AK
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 122 Location: Bedburg, NRW, Germany
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Dr.AK wrote:
I like that idea! I'd be willing to contribute with the lenses I have as well, but it's not all that much yet. _________________ Check out my Flickr |
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thePiRaTE!!
Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 416 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
I would be interested to see some results from this idea. I would suggest though that bringing the character out of a lens is not always a straight forward exercise however, even if certain parameters are established. The results would not be conclusive, but more bread crumbs on the bokeh trail can't hurt the search for those lenses we seek. _________________ kellysereda.com
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
read this article from Zeiss
not a easy to find a standard scene, too much parameters _________________ T* |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Yes, for results to be comparable the setting should have to be comparable. Something which is quite impossible to do, when some lenses have near focusing limit of 0.2m and others 1.5m
We already have the closest thing to Bokeh Files, which is we have sample galleries for many many lenses. Furthermore, there are topics which cover sample photos and there are topics which compare lenses. _________________ Vilhelm
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
Most probably, the best way to compare, is for one person to take shots (F2.8 & say F5.6, at one metre, with suitable background), with as many lenses as they have. Compare all of those.
Then another person does the same. Then if there is an overlap between two people, you could compare by cross referencing with the overlapping shots. |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I will suggest that we don't get too wrapped up in perfection; this could only be another sampling. It shouldn't be a competition, and each lens and focal length will display according to their own strengths and limitations. I will give thought to the type of pictures. Also, would need to agree on post processing limitations.
The same lens can produce all these bokeh variations, and it would be good to see how each looks at different stops...
_________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
dnas wrote: |
Most probably, the best way to compare, is for one person to take shots (F2.8 & say F5.6, at one metre, with suitable background), with as many lenses as they have. Compare all of those.
Then another person does the same. Then if there is an overlap between two people, you could compare by cross referencing with the overlapping shots. |
Or maybe it's good to just have several pictures from several lenses in different situations so a lens can be appreciated in all circumstances. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
That would be a good idea to have various distances....from closeups to infinity throughout the stops @ MFD,3-4 meters,10-15 meters,50-75 meters and infinity for the particular lens.....because it would display a lens strengths and weaknesses....as well as it's bokeh abilities. _________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it. |
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
dnas wrote: |
Most probably, the best way to compare, is for one person to take shots (F2.8 & say F5.6, at one metre, with suitable background), with as many lenses as they have. Compare all of those.
Then another person does the same. Then if there is an overlap between two people, you could compare by cross referencing with the overlapping shots. |
Or maybe it's good to just have several pictures from several lenses in different situations so a lens can be appreciated in all circumstances. |
It's all up to you I guess!!!
I was thinking in terms of using it as a resource. If people can spot bokeh that they really like, on a lens where exactly the same shot is taken, it might help them choose a particular lens. |
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