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my_photography
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: One shot - 3 White Balance |
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my_photography wrote:
My skill in White Balance (WB) is minimum. Any advice will be much appreciated. C & C is welcome for the photos.
Photo #1, WB @ 5618
Photo #2. WB @ 7500
Photo #3. WB @ 4800
Which photo (WB) so you prefer and how do you usually set your WB? _________________
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Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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Jesito
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
I would vote for the first one, the second is too warm and the third too cold...
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peterqd
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
I agree with Jes about the first one, 5600 is about standard. But in this picture I think the colour balance might be wrong and adjusting the WB doesn't affect this. The red in the skin colours and the girl's top is on the intense side but the blue in the sky looks a little faded. I tried adjusting the saturation of each colour using the Hue/Saturation tool in PS and it looks better to my eyes.
I normally use Auto WB. _________________ Peter - Moderator
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Somewhere between the 1st and 3rd would be right. I do like a slightly warmer look, so if I had to pick, I'd say #1. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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visualopsins
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Imho, this image is too complex for white balance setting alone to 'correct'.
Understanding White Balance
Although the following refer specifically to Photoshop, other PP programs are similar.
Levels and for when you want even more control Curves
The Complete List of Tutorials |
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Anu
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
The first two are just fine. The right WB depends on what you want from the image - different WB gives different feel. Of course going beyong what is reaasonable isn't necessarily good - I think #3 is way too cold. #1 IMHO is good, and the best of these three, but #2 can be nice if you want too get a warmer feel. |
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Jesito
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
I normally use Auto WB. |
Me too. Always Auto WB and shooting in RAW.
No trouble warranty.
Regards.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:20 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Jesito wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
I normally use Auto WB. |
Me too. Always Auto WB and shooting in RAW.
No trouble warranty.
Regards.
Jes. |
Unfortunately auto white balance for Sony A700 is not great. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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my_photography
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Thanks for the link. Very informative and straight to the point. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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peterqd
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Here's the alterations I made with the Hue/Saturation tool, what do you think of it now? Beautiful building by the way, thanks for letting us see it. I'd like to see some bigger shots if poss.
_________________ Peter - Moderator
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Anu
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Here's the alterations I made with the Hue/Saturation tool, what do you think of it now? Beautiful building by the way, thanks for letting us see it. I'd like to see some bigger shots if poss.
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For my taste is it too cold, too blue. |
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peterqd
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Anu wrote: |
For my taste is it too cold, too blue. |
Maybe your eyes are too accustomed to watching red squirrels! _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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my_photography
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Beautiful building by the way, thanks for letting us see it. I'd like to see some bigger shots if poss. |
I shot in raw (actually compress raw) so the file is big 13M. Even after saving in JPEG, the file is still 6.4M. I am using a resize program which reduces the file to 56k or so. Thanks for the effort. I know I did not give you much to play with.
I know the reduction definitely means a lot of info is loss. Unfortunately, from my eye, I don't see a lot of loss. Actually, is there a file size we should limit ourselves when uploading to the forum? _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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my_photography
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
I have done a bit of hue and saturation adjustment for blue & red myself. What do you think about this one?
#4. With Hue & Saturation adjustment.
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Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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Anu
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
I think this is the best so far... |
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peterqd
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
my_photography wrote: |
I have done a bit of hue and saturation adjustment for blue & red myself. What do you think about this one? |
That looks a whole lot better than any of the first three, much better balance now.
56k is a very small file, it means you've lost much more information than necessary using that resizing program. There isn't any limit on file size for uploading as far as I know, only the image size (same thing really). I'm not fully up to speed with the changes made recently, but you can post images up to max 1024px wide, the height is not so critical. I *think* you can upload an image up to 3000px wide using the Upload Image button and it resizes for you automatically. _________________ Peter - Moderator
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my_photography
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
[quote="peterqd"]
my_photography wrote: |
56k is a very small file, it means you've lost much more information than necessary using that resizing program. There isn't any limit on file size for uploading as far as I know, only the image size (same thing really). I'm not fully up to speed with the changes made recently, but you can post images up to max 1024px wide, the height is not so critical. I *think* you can upload an image up to 3000px wide using the Upload Image button and it resizes for you automatically. |
I wrote something two days ago but apparently it never gone through the forum.
Any idea what is the max dpi for posting? Or does it not matter? My photos are usually 8''x12'' before the frame. I have really no idea what the resizing software is doing to the dpi. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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peterqd
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Hi, yes, I read your question so it did get through OK. I think by accident I clicked on the the wrong button when I was replying and I deleted it, sincere apologies for that. It's very easy to do when you're not concentrating.
Your image above is only 96 DPI, which makes a small image for printing and a small filesize suitable for fast emailing etc. For viewing on a PC screen, the software has to enlarge the image and remap every pixel to a number of your screen pixels. This drastically reduces the image quality. On the other hand, using a high resolution for better quality creates huge unmanageable filesizes, so a compromise has to found. I generally use 300, sometimes 350. It's usual to use the actual pixel count along each side to describe the size of an image for screen viewing, for example 900 x 600 pixels, rather than the DPI. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Hi, yes, I read your question so it did get through OK. I think by accident I clicked on the the wrong button when I was replying and I deleted it, sincere apologies for that. It's very easy to do when you're not concentrating. |
ROTFL! If Peter was a boxer, he'd knock himself out! _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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my_photography
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
Hi, yes, I read your question so it did get through OK. I think by accident I clicked on the the wrong button when I was replying and I deleted it, sincere apologies for that. It's very easy to do when you're not concentrating. |
ROTFL! If Peter was a boxer, he'd knock himself out! |
We are human after all. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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peterqd
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
Hi, yes, I read your question so it did get through OK. I think by accident I clicked on the the wrong button when I was replying and I deleted it, sincere apologies for that. It's very easy to do when you're not concentrating. |
ROTFL! If Peter was a boxer, he'd knock himself out! |
I've actually done that! _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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