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996gt2
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: How to calibrate split-prism focusing screen to DSLR? |
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996gt2 wrote:
I recently purchased a cut Minolta split-prism focusing screen for my Canon 40D from Alex here at MFlenses, and it just arrived yesterday. However, after I installed it, I noticed that the Minolta screen was thinner than the standard Canon focusing screen. As a result, the split-prism screen rattles a bit in the camera and the calibration is also a bit off (meaning that when the split-prism indicates perfect focus, I'm actually slightly out of focus).
Would the best way to properly calibrate this new split-prism screen/get rid of the rattling be to use shims? Where can I get the shims?
Also, as far as shimming does, is there a proper procedure for doing it. For example, is there a specific side of the screen on which I should put the shims?
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
first check if it is inserted with mate side to viewfinder, shiny to mirror
download the chart http://focustestchart.com/chart.html to check how bad is the oof
you can order shim from Canon or cut them in paper or plastic
but with a 40D I would use a Canon screen, I would not like to redo the +100h I spent on the 400D
also don't forget that a split is not precise for under 2.8, use a EE-S screen _________________ T* |
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996gt2
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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996gt2 wrote:
poilu wrote: |
first check if it is inserted with mate side to viewfinder, shiny to mirror
download the chart http://focustestchart.com/chart.html to check how bad is the oof
you can order shim from Canon or cut them in paper or plastic
but with a 40D I would use a Canon screen, I would not like to redo the +100h I spent on the 400D
also don't forget that a split is not precise for under 2.8, use a EE-S screen |
Thanks for the quick reply.
I formerly had an EF-S super precision screen, but I was under the impression that a split prism/microprism screen was more precise?
I did make sure that the matte side was mated up (facing the viewfinder).
The screen same with 2 shims on the matte side, but I found that after I removed them, the split-prism aid became more accurate. I guess I'll try putting the shims on the shiny side to see how it does.
Here is the screen I got. Split-prism center and microprism collar. Is this really not precise enough for a fast lens (faster than f/2)?
_________________ Gripped Canon EOS 40D
Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 XR
50mm f/1.8
85mm f/1.8 USM
580EX/430EZ
MF lenses to come! |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
from my experience split are not reliable under 2.8 but you can use the microprism part
putting shim on the shiny side doesn't help as the focus is made on the mate part
I found that split is not useful since when we have liveview
a EF-S allow to focus anywhere on the frame and free composition
focus need practice and lens play a important role, the better the lens, the more the focus snap _________________ T* |
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ludoo
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: Milan, Italy
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: |
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ludoo wrote:
The instructions at focusingscreen.com are pretty good
http://www.focusingscreen.com/work/test-fsen.htm
Make sure the camera is at 45 degrees to the ruler, or the out of focus areas in front and behind the point of focus won't match. |
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996gt2
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:40 am Post subject: |
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996gt2 wrote:
Before I calibrate, should I put some shims on the glossy side (bottom) so that the screen has a snug fit? It seems to be a bit loose inside the 40D since it is thinner than the factory Canon screen.
Or does the 40D have a mechanism that compensates for the thinner screen by applying more clamping force to hold the screen in place? _________________ Gripped Canon EOS 40D
Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 XR
50mm f/1.8
85mm f/1.8 USM
580EX/430EZ
MF lenses to come! |
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SkedAddled
Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1443 Location: Michigan, USA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:00 am Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
I have the same screen from Alex, and it looks identical to this one,
right down to the tape pieces on either side:
My only complaint is the specks on the center circle which can not be
removed with compressed air and gentle wiping with fresh cotton swabs,
but the screen fits my 40D perfectly. There is no play of the screen,
it required no shims, and the same can be said for my former XTi/400D
with one of Alex's screens installed. The other screen came clean, though.
I can actually focus with this screen up to around f/11, if I manage to
properly move my eye around the viewfinder.
Whatever you do, the matte/prism/circle side should face up towards
the pentaprism. Make any/all adjustments with the screen placed in
such a manner. _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11064 Location: California
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
SkedAddled wrote: |
... the specks on the center circle which can not be
removed with compressed air and gentle wiping with fresh cotton swabs ... |
I've had good luck cleaning stubborn dust by drizzling Eclipse into the fresnel side of Ee-S after dropping it in the dirt -- also luckily it landed on the edge before flopping flat in the dust. It is as good as new _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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SkedAddled
Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1443 Location: Michigan, USA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
Please explain: What is Eclipse? _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11064 Location: California
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Eclipse http://www.photosol.com/eclipseproduct.htm -- is reagent-grade methyl alcohol, obtainable in bulk at chemical supply houses for much lower cost. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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lulalake
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1191 Location: Near Austin Texas
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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lulalake wrote:
Yes.
Reagent grade alcohol is available from the Science Company, very inexpensively . (Google "Reagent Grade Alcohol")
Reagent grade acetone is also available from that company however it's much trickier to use.
Note ; Acetone CANNOT be used on most plastic! GLASS ONLY. (No painted surfaces either.
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:22 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
The shims must go between the screen and the camera body, i.e. on the upper (viewfinder) side. This adjusts the distance between the screen and the mirror, shims on the underside would make no difference.
Adding shims corrects back focus and removing shims corrects front focus. If you need to add a shim, a tiny piece of 3M magic tape (the translucent kind) on each end of the shim works fine. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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