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SonicScot
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 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: Vivitar/Elicar 90mm macro |
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Having already bought the Elicar 90/2.5 macro I then picked up the Vivitar version of this lens.
I thought I'd share a couple of photos to show the 'difference' between them, not that there's a lot.
The Elicar is labelled f2.5, the Vivitar is f2.8.
Somebody said these differing max aperture numbers were simply marketing gimmicks. I have no idea. I do know the front element on the Elicar is wider than the Vivitar, but I don't know if that 3mm makes any difference to the max aperture.
The Elicar is heavier by 45g, according to my ancient scales.
The Vivitar has a greenish coating, the Elicar more purple. (despite the Vivitar reflecting the colour kitchen I have)
They both have a 62mm filter thread.
The Elicar is Nikon mount, the Vivitar M42.
Here's how they look together:
#1
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#3
I'm keeping the Elicar and selling the Vivitar. How did I choose one over the other? I prefer the look and feel of the Elicar. 
I can find no difference in their performance but the Vivitar is much, much cleaner and appears hardly used. The Elicar is fatter and fits my hand better.
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Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Nice presentation , I like both.
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AMDBill
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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AMDBill wrote:
hi
i ve panagor PMC auto macro 90/2.8 and it s a mix of these 2 lenses
it looks like the vivitar but whit color marking (red/white) and coating of the elicar (brown/purple)
i love this lens but have lot of CA under f5.6 |
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
| AMDBill wrote: |
hi
i ve panagor PMC auto macro 90/2.8 and it s a mix of these 2 lenses
it looks like the vivitar but whit color marking (red/white) and coating of the elicar (brown/purple)
i love this lens but have lot of CA under f5.6 |
Interesting, I haven't noticed any particular CA issues with either of my two. I'd love to see similar photos of your lens, just to compare looks. 
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Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Perhaps you did shoot in different lights, I did see CA with Olympus OM 90mm f2 wide open when light was strong and reflected. Even best lenses produce in special light CA , this is valid for Planar 85mm f1.4 too at F5.6 in special light.
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Nice presentation , I like both. |
Thanks Attila.
I too like them both, they seem to be very well built and feel good in the hand and on the camera.
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Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Perhaps you did shoot in different lights, I did see CA with Olympus OM 90mm f2 wide open when light was strong and reflected. Even best lenses produce in special light CA , this is valid for Planar 85mm f1.4 too at F5.6 in special light. |
I didn't know the best lenses are prone too, well you learn something every day here.
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Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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AMDBill
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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AMDBill wrote:
| SonicScot wrote: |
| AMDBill wrote: |
hi
i ve panagor PMC auto macro 90/2.8 and it s a mix of these 2 lenses
it looks like the vivitar but whit color marking (red/white) and coating of the elicar (brown/purple)
i love this lens but have lot of CA under f5.6 |
Interesting, I haven't noticed any particular CA issues with either of my two. I'd love to see similar photos of your lens, just to compare looks. |
this is this one http://classicameras.blogspot.fr/2010/04/panagor-90mm28-macro.html
if i shoot a cap olympus (black/silver) whit an angle (not in front) i ve a lot of CA green/red |
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woodrim
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
SonicScot: Can you use both on the same camera? I'd be curious if they both meter the same at fully open in same situation - or does the marked aperture difference show up?
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
| woodrim wrote: |
| SonicScot: Can you use both on the same camera? I'd be curious if they both meter the same at fully open in same situation - or does the marked aperture difference show up? |
Funny you should ask that. I tested that very thing only an hour ago, taking 8 different photos with both lenses in identical conditions.
The Elicar always had a faster shutter speed. 
Perhaps it's the different coatings, perhaps the apertures are really 2.8 and 2.5. I don't know for sure because I'm no expert. 
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Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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woodrim
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
The obvious is probably the answer.
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
| AMDBill wrote: |
| SonicScot wrote: |
| AMDBill wrote: |
hi
i ve panagor PMC auto macro 90/2.8 and it s a mix of these 2 lenses
it looks like the vivitar but whit color marking (red/white) and coating of the elicar (brown/purple)
i love this lens but have lot of CA under f5.6 |
Interesting, I haven't noticed any particular CA issues with either of my two. I'd love to see similar photos of your lens, just to compare looks. |
this is this one http://classicameras.blogspot.fr/2010/04/panagor-90mm28-macro.html
if i shoot a cap olympus (black/silver) whit an angle (not in front) i ve a lot of CA green/red |
It looks very similar, as you said, a mixture between the Vivitar and Elicar.
I just stepped outside and took a shot wide open, there is a hint of purple fringing but it's nothing compared to some of my lenses.
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Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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komet
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Vivitar/Elicar 90mm macro |
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komet wrote:
[quote="SonicScot"]Having already bought the Elicar 90/2.5 macro I then picked up the Vivitar version of this lens.
I thought I'd share a couple of photos to show the 'difference' between them, not that there's a lot.
The Elicar is labelled f2.5, the Vivitar is f2.8.
Somebody said these differing max aperture numbers were simply marketing gimmicks. I have no idea. I do know the front element on the Elicar is wider than the Vivitar, but I don't know if that 3mm makes any difference to the max aperture.
The Elicar is heavier by 45g, according to my ancient scales.
The Vivitar has a greenish coating, the Elicar more purple. (despite the Vivitar reflecting the colour kitchen I have)
They both have a 62mm filter thread.
The Elicar is Nikon mount, the Vivitar M42.
Is the front lens diameter of the Elicar bigger? |
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Vivitar/Elicar 90mm macro |
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SonicScot wrote:
[quote="komet"]
| SonicScot wrote: |
Having already bought the Elicar 90/2.5 macro I then picked up the Vivitar version of this lens.
I thought I'd share a couple of photos to show the 'difference' between them, not that there's a lot.
The Elicar is labelled f2.5, the Vivitar is f2.8.
Somebody said these differing max aperture numbers were simply marketing gimmicks. I have no idea. I do know the front element on the Elicar is wider than the Vivitar, but I don't know if that 3mm makes any difference to the max aperture.
The Elicar is heavier by 45g, according to my ancient scales.
The Vivitar has a greenish coating, the Elicar more purple. (despite the Vivitar reflecting the colour kitchen I have)
They both have a 62mm filter thread.
The Elicar is Nikon mount, the Vivitar M42.
Is the front lens diameter of the Elicar bigger? |
Yes, 3mm bigger.
_________________
Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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SonicScot
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
| woodrim wrote: |
| The obvious is probably the answer. |
It's tempting to actually 'operate' on these two, open them up and measure the innards.
But I'm not going to mess with a lens I'm selling, that wouldn't be wise.
I'm going to stick with my theory that the Elicar is f2.5. 
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Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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komet
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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komet wrote:
[quote="SonicScot"]
| woodrim wrote: |
I'm going to stick with my theory that the Elicar is f2.5. |
That seems to be true, why not. |
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