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SkedAddled
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:36 pm Post subject: Soligor(Tokina) 135/2.8 infinity adjustment |
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SkedAddled wrote:
I have a Soligor T-4 mount f=135mm 1:2.8 lens which is in excellent
cosmetic condition. It was included as a freebie with my Tamron SP 60-300
due to internal fungus on the front element.
Considering it a no-loss experiment, I decided to try my hand at dismantling
it for cleaning as my first try at such an activity, since a 135 wasn't much
of my interest at the time.
The cleaning actually went well; the fungus hadn't etched the glass or even
damaged the coatings.
I've taken it out again because it represents one of three Tokina-made Soligor
early-1970s lenses I own, and I'm interested in expanding this series collection.
I don't recall any difficulties in dismantling and reassembly, so I may be able
to actually get it back to proper order, but could anyone offer some
tips or advice for attaining true infinity?
I've come to realize that these 70s-vintage Tokina lenses are indeed of high
quality in terms of build and optics, with my 400/6.3 and 75-260/4.5
delivering the goods. Since I already own this 135, I'd like to put it in good order
and use it some as I try to expand the series. _________________ Craig
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Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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visualopsins
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Take time to restart helicoid focus threads each beginning possibility until lens achieves infinity. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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SkedAddled
Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1443 Location: Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
I'm not sure I understand.
Do you mean to back helicoid off thread to place into
another thread position? _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11069 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:09 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Yeah, helicoid has several places to start threading. Only one correct allows infinity focus. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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SkedAddled
Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1443 Location: Michigan, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
Okay, I understand now.
Thanks for the tip. _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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SkedAddled
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
The advice worked, and it made obvious sense after going back in.
The focus scale seems reasonably accurate, I seem to be focusing
slightly past infinity, and it all seems to be a normal lens now.
There are a few screws on the focusing ring, two of which are larger
and beside each other, along the axis of the lens.
The front screw is apparently a locking screw after after infinity/proper
focus is attained. The rear screw is the stop for infinity and minimum
distance.
I fiddled with the lens more than ultimately needed, but here's the lowdown:
1) Remove rear screw of the tandem pair from focusing barrel.
This removes the stop from barrel travel.
2) Remove 3 tiny screws within T-4 mount and remove the backplate.
Note the position of the arrow and how it aligns with the notch of the
mount within the locking ring. Also note the aperture actuation pin,
which can easily fall out if the actuating lever flips over.
3) Turn focus past minimum until the front mechanism turns with
the focusing ring.
The lens mechanism is now incorrectly aligned and needs to be set right.
The front assembly can now be unscrewed from the helicoid.
What is done from this point, is to closely watch the mechanism from the rear,
looking for the slots in the front element assembly. They match up to sort of
"pegs" or lugs on the outer assembly. There is also a pin inside the outer
barrel, which is part of the aperture control. This meets a 'fork' of sorts
within the assembly.
You'll want to set the aperture to the side of the scale used when mounted.
In my case, it operates to the left when using it on my camera.
The fork can be moved to all aperture settings across the two scales.
The movement is fairly free to operate on either side.
The trick is to keep the aperture ring at the right place, while watching the
mechanism movement from the rear. At minimum or maximum aperture
ring setting, you'll need to watch carefully for where the lugs meet
the outer barrel, match the aperture fork to the locating pin, as well as
holding the outer and inner barrels while independently rotating the
focusing ring to align the parts coming together.
After backing the assemblies apart and threading them back together
in different places on the thread, I seem to have restored this lens.
It appears to focus slightly past infinity and at least as close as the
6 ft indicated on the scale. Now it's time I put it to use.
_________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11069 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
_________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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melodysurf
Joined: 19 Aug 2018 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:01 am Post subject: Soligor 135/2.8 infinity adjustment |
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melodysurf wrote:
Hi Craig,
Ive also recently purchased a Soligor 135mm f/2.8 M42, and am having similar issues as it wont focus to infinity,
Any chance you could post some step by step tutorial pics of your efforts?, it would be most appreciated
thanks
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SkedAddled
Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1443 Location: Michigan, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
Not sure how I missed your question until now, Tony.
Welcome to the forum.
I'm sorry, but I neglected to capture pics of the mechanisms and process.
Considering your mention of your own lens' copy being a M42 mount, I'm not sure
information about mine would be of any service to you.
Mine is a T4 mount, much the same as Vivitar's TX, which is similar
to the Tamron Adaptall/Adaptall-2 in that they allow fitting a camera-specific
mount to a lens which is designed for interchangeable mounts.
For example, these "base" mounts accept a camera-specific mount to allow
mounting to a Canon FD camera, or Pentax M42, or Nikon, Minolta, etc...
If yours is a M42 mount without the T4 'intermediary' coupling,
it would be very different from mine, mechanically speaking,
at the back of the lens.
It should also be noted that my copy is a known manufacture by Tokina
from 1971, as decoded from the serial number. If your own copy is from
an altogether different manufacturer, or even another series or decade from
the same, my experiences and descriptions might not apply a bit to yours.
Others here with more knowledge of Soligor lenses may chime in here
if you could provide the serial number and a few pictures of your lens. _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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