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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: Tokina RMC 17/3.5 |
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NikonD wrote:
Today arrived my "brand new" lens... in MINT condition
a couple of photos compared with Nikkor 28/3.5 Ai-S with my brand new Nikon D90
later I'll post some photos made with it
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Congrats! You will like it for sure.
I've got the Vivitar version of this lens and it's even usable on a 5D! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
Hello Roman!
The condition of the lens looks very nice.
Like Carsten, I also had the Vivitar version some years ago, but I´m not sure it was OK because the results were poor on my D50. Probably de-centered or something like that, I don´t know.
I´m looking forward to sample pictures and a comparison with the 28mm F3,5 Nikkor, of course especially with regard to the Nikkor My copy still hasn´t arrived yet.
Regards,
Benedikt _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
Nikon D90, Sony NEX-3
AF-Nikkors 24mm F2,8, 35mm F1,8 DX, 85mm F1,8, 28-105mm F3,5-4,5D IF
Nikon MF: Nikkor 20mm F4, Nikkor 50mm F2 Ai, Micro-Nikkor-P 55mm F3,5, Nikkor 135mm F2,8 Ai, Nikkor 200mm F4
Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm F2,8 [for sale], Vario-Sonnar 80-200mm F4 T* (C/Y) with Leitax for Nikon-F
Minolta MD-Rokkors: 28mm F2,8, 45mm F2
M42 Lenses: Mamiya/Sekor SX 21mm F4, SX 28mm F2,8, SX 55mm F1,8, SX 135mm F2,8, 400mm F6,3 [for sale], Asahi-Pentax Super-Tak. 28mm F3,5 and 55mm F1,8, CZJ Tessar 50mm F2,8, Vivitar 135mm F2,8
Mamiya 645 Lenses: Mamiya Sekor C 80mm F2,8 N, 300mm F5,6, 105-210mm F4,5 ULD [for sale] |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
BenediktW wrote: |
Like Carsten, I also had the Vivitar version some years ago, but I´m not sure it was OK because the results were poor on my D50. Probably de-centered or something like that, I don´t know. |
Probably.
Give me some time, I can shoot and upload some pictures taken with the Viv on my 5D. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
I would be interested to see how it performs against the wide end of your Nikkor 18-105 AFS zoom. My copy was certainly no better than the wide end of the Nikkor 18-55 AFS VR and it was definitely outperformed by the Sigma 10-20/4-5.6 at 17 mm. _________________ John |
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
I hope i'll get the samples soon... I can't do much due to snowing
as far as 18-105 goes... hehe I sold it (to get more MF lenses ), I was disgusted by it's plasticy fell planning to get 35/1.8
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
NikonD wrote: |
as far as 18-105... hehe I sold it (to get more MF lenses ), I was disgusted by it's plasticy fell planning to get 35/1.8 |
The 35/1.8 is also plastic ! But very nice ! I'm planning to compare it with the 35/2 AIs when I get the time. _________________ John |
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
not as plastic as 18-105 |
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
flare and ghosting, both @ F8
tokina 17/3.5 vs. nikkor 28/3.5... not a fair comparison
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:50 am Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
Oh, they both look very nice indeed!
I´m surprised of the Tokina´s sharpness and contrast. My Vivitar copy wasn´t nearly as good!
The flare of course is hefty, but I think it even contributes to the picture, it´s a nice analogue flare, not a cheap effect. Perhaps it´s annoying in some pictures, but here, it enhances the image of a nice cold and sunny morning.
The Nikkor on the other hand looks completely immune against flare, the overall picture quality is very nice as well.
Could you perhaps show a little 1:1 pixel size crop?
Thanks and greetings
Benedikt _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
Nikon D90, Sony NEX-3
AF-Nikkors 24mm F2,8, 35mm F1,8 DX, 85mm F1,8, 28-105mm F3,5-4,5D IF
Nikon MF: Nikkor 20mm F4, Nikkor 50mm F2 Ai, Micro-Nikkor-P 55mm F3,5, Nikkor 135mm F2,8 Ai, Nikkor 200mm F4
Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm F2,8 [for sale], Vario-Sonnar 80-200mm F4 T* (C/Y) with Leitax for Nikon-F
Minolta MD-Rokkors: 28mm F2,8, 45mm F2
M42 Lenses: Mamiya/Sekor SX 21mm F4, SX 28mm F2,8, SX 55mm F1,8, SX 135mm F2,8, 400mm F6,3 [for sale], Asahi-Pentax Super-Tak. 28mm F3,5 and 55mm F1,8, CZJ Tessar 50mm F2,8, Vivitar 135mm F2,8
Mamiya 645 Lenses: Mamiya Sekor C 80mm F2,8 N, 300mm F5,6, 105-210mm F4,5 ULD [for sale] |
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
here are some crops:
photo taken @ F8
all I can say is that this lens is soft at 3.5 and much better at 5.6, its perfect at f8 and as far as I can see, there is minimal CA to none at f8... definitely a keeper I like the flare, but hood is required... all I need now is a polarizer
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16641 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
great results - that's why I have two of them... _________________ Klaus - Admin
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
BenediktW wrote: |
I´m surprised of the Tokina´s sharpness and contrast. My Vivitar copy wasn´t nearly as good! |
As you said, Benedikt, your copy wasn't nearly as good.
You can find excellent copies of the Vivitar 3.5/17.
I am quite satisfied with mine, even on the 5D:
Shot some minutes ago, at f/3.5 (wide open)
And here two crops (no PP):
And this one was taken at f/5.6:
Crops (again no PP):
And as you can see, there were no easy conditions for the lens.
Vignetting is amazingly light for a 17mm on a digital fullframe sensor,
sharpness and contrast are pretty good and even the distortion is acceptable. I just need to find a hood that does not vignette.
EDIT: Hey, I just saw, this was my post #10.000. Wow, makes me kind of proud. First time I haver ever reached that number. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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NikonD
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
my tokina is softer than yours at 3.5... |
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
@Carsten:
Yes, that´s exactly what I meant. I should give it a second chance!
Well, I was even diappointed of the beautiful and tank-like built Tokina AF 17mm F3,5. It was pretty expensive, and wasn´t very nice at all.
Congrats to the 10.000 by the way. A further proof of this being a very nice, interesting and friendly forum. One of very few!
@Roman:
Perhaps it´s because of the lower pixel density on the 5D. Oh, I like full frame so much.
Regards,
Benedikt _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
Nikon D90, Sony NEX-3
AF-Nikkors 24mm F2,8, 35mm F1,8 DX, 85mm F1,8, 28-105mm F3,5-4,5D IF
Nikon MF: Nikkor 20mm F4, Nikkor 50mm F2 Ai, Micro-Nikkor-P 55mm F3,5, Nikkor 135mm F2,8 Ai, Nikkor 200mm F4
Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm F2,8 [for sale], Vario-Sonnar 80-200mm F4 T* (C/Y) with Leitax for Nikon-F
Minolta MD-Rokkors: 28mm F2,8, 45mm F2
M42 Lenses: Mamiya/Sekor SX 21mm F4, SX 28mm F2,8, SX 55mm F1,8, SX 135mm F2,8, 400mm F6,3 [for sale], Asahi-Pentax Super-Tak. 28mm F3,5 and 55mm F1,8, CZJ Tessar 50mm F2,8, Vivitar 135mm F2,8
Mamiya 645 Lenses: Mamiya Sekor C 80mm F2,8 N, 300mm F5,6, 105-210mm F4,5 ULD [for sale] |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
The 5D has not only a great pixel pitch, it also has a "weaker" AA filter.
Generally this causes sharper images, but sometimes this produces moirées. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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