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radius
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 Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: 135 mmPentacon 2,8 or Carl zeiss 3,5? |
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radius wrote:
I Want to buy a 135mm for my Canon EOS 5D: Carl Zeiss Pentacon 135 2.8 or 135 f 3.5? Which is best? Thank you. |
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Hi!
The Pentacon 2.8/135 is called "bokeh-monster" because of its fantastic out-of-focus rendering.
The CZJ 3.5/135 is considered to be one the best 135mm lenses that you can get for reasonable money, sometimes. But there has been a hype about this lens.
The Pentacon will probably be cheaper.
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rawhead
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
The answer is Tair-11A 135mm f2.8
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estudleon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
If you can find the steinheil (any version, macro, "D", the black is newer) 3,5 or 2,8, get it.
Whithout hesitate, among the best 135 in M42. A bit expensive.
Rino.
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std
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: 135 mmPentacon 2,8 or Carl zeiss 3,5? |
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std wrote:
135/4 are even cheaper and very very nice
one of my favorites |
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Ash
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Ash wrote:
If price is any concern with CZJ then you can also consider Jupiter 37. It is consider to be CZJ clone. It is very sharp wide open with some CA though. Stop it down littlebit and volla !! CA is gone. And best part is that you can get it at half the price of CZJ.
Pentacon, I have heard that it is bit soft wide open and you have to stop down for sharpness. Both are great. It depends on you if you like speed or sharpness wide open. Jupiter's bokeh is also really good.
PS: Someone is selling one on marketplace with shipping included. His copy's serial is 86xxxx, suggesting that it could be MC version. Mine is 80xxxxx. |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Carl Zeiss 135/3.5 and Pentacon preset 135/2.8 are both excellent and sharp. I prefer the Pentacon for portraits and Carl Zeiss for flowers, but either is superb.
Jupiter 11 and 11A are also similar clones of the Carl Zeiss and also produce lovely images. So many great 135mm lenses for so little money!!!
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aoleg
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:07 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
| Ash wrote: |
| If price is any concern with CZJ then you can also consider Jupiter 37. It is consider to be CZJ clone. It is very sharp wide open with some CA though. Stop it down littlebit and volla !! CA is gone. And best part is that you can get it at half the price of CZJ. |
Pre-AI versions of Nikkor 135/3.5 are also CZJ clones. CZJ on the left, Nikkor on the right:
 
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Arkku
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
I have both and I prefer the CZJ. |
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Ash
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Ash wrote:
May be this can help a bit:
http://oomz.net/135/ |
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djmike
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
If price is not an issue, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 MC is the PICK. Embedded hood with 90cm min focus distance, well metal building, and small size. Mike
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WallyJr74
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: |
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WallyJr74 wrote:
I have both and I prefer the Pentacon for portraits and CZJ for everything else. You also need to know that CZJ's aperture design sucks. It breaks or gets stuck easily.
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francotirador
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:10 am Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
I have the two, even did a test of both.
If you want to Sharp, the Sonnar is better. If you want a softer image, the Pentacon
http://forum.mflenses.com/sonnar-135-3-5-and-pentacon-135-2-8-preset-comparison-t24659.html
And both had a very good service before the test.
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MF-addicted
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MF-addicted wrote:
| WallyJr74 wrote: |
| I prefer the Pentacon for portraits |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I have both and use both. I tried the J37A and it wasn't bad but no need for that many 135s, so it drew the short straw.
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