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 Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:26 am Post subject: Nikkor 105 P(sonnar) 2.5 & CZJ Sonnar 135mm 3.5 |
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francotirador wrote:
Hi:
I have a Nikkor 105P (Sonner) 2.5, with the diaphragm as broken and I can not spare'm looking for another similar lens to replace.
I found a Carl Zeiss 135mm F3.5.
Someone can tell me the differences between them? What are its characteristics?
Sharp, Bokeh, etc.
Thank you very much
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aoleg wrote:
The blades are not interchangeable between these two lenses. You will be better off buying a broken one on eBay and replacing the diaphragm unit (without taking out the blades) or simply swapping the optical block. Here's a link to the repair manual for this Nikkor:
http://books.google.com/books?id=2HCNSki081YC&pg=PA97&dq=nikkor+105mm+repair#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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francotirador wrote:
I think I expressed myself badly, sorry
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francotirador wrote:
I want to replace the lens, maybe a 135 3.5 Sonnar.
Thanks and sorry, my English is not very good
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orly_andico
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orly_andico wrote:
The 135/3.5 Sonnar is a great lens, which I have.
However the Nikkor-P 105/2.5 is also a great lens, and it's one stop faster so provides narrower depth of field.
I have a late multi-coated CZJ Sonnar and the Nikkor-P definitely has an older, less capable coating.. which contributes to its dreamy look wide-open. Also the Nikkor is mechanically better-built, the East German and Russian lenses are a hit-and-miss affair.
So.. optically.. I think the CZJ would be sharper, it's definitely lighter, but deeper DOF, and one stop slower. |
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hk300
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hk300 wrote:
what do you mean with aperture broken?
physically broken/missing parts, or sticky/non-working aperture?
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If you find a CZJ 3,5/135 in our market, not doubt, BUY IT.
Can you fix the nikkor lens? Well do it.
But the CZJ must be in your equipment anyway.
Rino.
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francotirador wrote:
| orly_andico wrote: |
The 135/3.5 Sonnar is a great lens, which I have.
However the Nikkor-P 105/2.5 is also a great lens, and it's one stop faster so provides narrower depth of field.
I have a late multi-coated CZJ Sonnar and the Nikkor-P definitely has an older, less capable coating.. which contributes to its dreamy look wide-open. Also the Nikkor is mechanically better-built, the East German and Russian lenses are a hit-and-miss affair.
So.. optically.. I think the CZJ would be sharper, it's definitely lighter, but deeper DOF, and one stop slower. |
Tanks,
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francotirador
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| estudleon wrote: |
If you find a CZJ 3,5/135 in our market, not doubt, BUY IT.
Can you fix the nikkor lens? Well do it.
But the CZJ must be in your equipment anyway.
Rino. |
Gracias, por la opinion.
Querría comprar los dos y hacer una comparativa entre los tres, el pentacon, el sonnar y el nikkor.
Lamentablemente esta semana y la que viene no tendre el dinero. 
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tomasg
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tomasg wrote:
i just got the nikkor 105/2.5 ais yesterday and i have the CZJ 135/3.5 for less that 2 months...i hope that the wheather improves so i can make some pictures whit the nikkor...stay tuned
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francotirador
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
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i just got the nikkor 105/2.5 ais yesterday and i have the CZJ 135/3.5 for less that 2 months...i hope that the wheather improves so i can make some pictures whit the nikkor...stay tuned
tomas |
Ell 105 AIS and 105 P are different. The AIS is Xenotar and P is Sonnar. your lens is more sharp.
I wait to see a comparison between both.
Tanks
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aoleg
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aoleg wrote:
| francotirador wrote: |
| I want to replace the lens, maybe a 135 3.5 Sonnar. |
The 105mm and 135mm focal lengths are too different to replace one lens with another. While CZJ 135/3.5 is a nice lens, it is currently way overprised. For less than 1/3 of its price, you can pick up a non-Ai Nikkor 135/3.5 which uses exactly the same optical formula. I've got both single and multi-coated versions of said Nikkor, and like it better than CZJ build-wise.
If I were you, I would sell the faulty 105mm and buy a replacement one. If you like the Sonnar rendering (I do), 'silver nose' versions are going for not much money.
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francotirador
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francotirador wrote:
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what do you mean with aperture broken?
physically broken/missing parts, or sticky/non-working aperture? |
5 of 6 blades are broken, broken in part. The rest of the lens is perfect, no scratches, no fungus, the perfect coating. It's a shame. 
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francotirador
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| aoleg wrote: |
| francotirador wrote: |
| I want to replace the lens, maybe a 135 3.5 Sonnar. |
The 105mm and 135mm focal lengths are too different to replace one lens with another. While CZJ 135/3.5 is a nice lens, it is currently way overprised. For less than 1/3 of its price, you can pick up a non-Ai Nikkor 135/3.5 which uses exactly the same optical formula. I've got both single and multi-coated versions of said Nikkor, and like it better than CZJ build-wise.
If I were you, I would sell the faulty 105mm and buy a replacement one. If you like the Sonnar rendering (I do), 'silver nose' versions are going for not much money. |
I did not know that the 135 Q non AI was a sonnar.
Thank you very much, very kind.
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aoleg
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
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| I did not know that the 135 Q non AI was a sonnar. |
Yep, it is a Sonnar. See http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/6070nikkor/telephoto/135mm.htm (bottom of the page) for an optical diagram. I was lucky enough to pick up the 'K' version of this lens, multicoated, with 7 rounded diaphragm blades. It's sharp and renders very nicely.
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