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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: Super fast 50mm f1.4 lens test! |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I performed a very quick test last night, of some very quick lenses!
From left to right:
Lens 1: Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50/1.4 C/Y
Lens 2: Asahi Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 with light fungus M42
Lens 3: Yashica Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4 M42
Lens 4: Super Reflecta 55/1.4 M42 (near enough to 50mm IMO)
Shots were taken under horrible energy saving lighting, so each photo had the same PP applied to give a slightly more neutral look. All were taken at ISO 100 with 1/13 second shutter speed except the Takumar which was taken at 1/10 due to the yellowing. The yellowing is a bit of a pain, so I was forced to PP further (see below).
All photos were taken on my Canon EOS 30D mounted on a tripod in the same position. I tried to focus on the same spot everytime (Pentax marque) but it is very, very difficult working with such a tiny depth of field...you will notice in some cases I have focused on the 'P' and others the 'X'
Whole image
Lens 1: Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50/1.4 C/Y
Lens 2: Asahi Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 with light fungus M42
Yellowed:
Unyellowed:
Lens 3: Yashica Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4 M42
Lens 4: Super Reflecta 55/1.4 M42
100% crop
Lens 1: Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50/1.4 C/Y
Lens 2: Asahi Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 with light fungus M42
Lens 3: Yashica Auto Yashinon DX 50/1.4 M42
Lens 4: Super Reflecta 55/1.4 M42
The verdict
For me, the Zeiss is best followed by the Super Reflecta, the S-M-C Takumar and the Yashinon. However, I'm sure a non-yellowed, clean Takumar would probably come in second with better contrast.
Actual real verdict
Come on! Any one of these lenses will do just fine in the environment they are designed for...low light shooting! If you see a cheap one, grab it!!! I used the Super Reflecta at a gig recently and was very pleased with the results - http://forum.mflenses.com/shooting-a-gig-with-the-super-reflecta-55-1-4-t22084.html _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Ooops wrong forum, could someone move to the main forum please? _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Nice comparison, thanks!
I agree to your verdict. The Zeiss is way better than the others.
I am suprised by both the good result of the Super Reflecta and the bad one of the Yashinon.
Actually I think the 3D effect that the Super Reflecta renders is pretty amazing. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Thanks shrek. I recently acquired the Planar and have to agree (I also have the Pentax, Nikkor, Sears (Tomioka) and Mamiya).
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Nice test. Reflecta and yashinon show significantly more axial CA, than zeiss and takumar _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:08 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
From a practical point of view, they are all interchangeable. The sharpness and contrast may differ slightly, but not by any significant degree. In the full frame images, I thought I saw a bit of green fringing, which was confirmed by the 100% views.
So, if we evaluate based on chromatic aberrations, the Contax T* is the clear winner. The SMC Tak is second, then the Yashinon, and finally the Super Reflecta.
Sharpness wise, I see it differently. It is slight, but clear if one is examining the minutest details. I'm examining the bit of paint loss in the "E". The Contax T* is just ever so slightly sharper than the SMC Tak, and then the Yashinon and Super Reflecta are essentially the same.
Given the recent increased popularity of the M42 SMC Taks, is it even possible to find one that's significantly cheaper than the Contax T*? I'm amazed at some of the prices I've seen for them recently.
Actually, I kinda would have liked to see a 50/1.4 Nikkor AI compared too. I sure like mine. _________________ Michael
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
While the weather is rotten for fair weather shooters like me, the next best thing is comparing lenses....all interesting. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Excalibur wrote: |
While the weather is rotten for fair weather shooters like me, the next best thing is comparing lenses....all interesting. |
Yup, the weather is terrible today!!!
I'll be keeping the Planar for my EOS and the Yashinon for my Sonys - although it's the weakest performer, coupled with the Super Steady Shot on the Sony bodies, I should be able to get some sharp shots in dark conditions. I'll keep the Super Reflecta as well as it's a lovely looking lens, but I suspect the other two will get the most use as the 55/1.4 won't work as well with SSS and the adapter pre-programmed to 50mm. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
So, if we evaluate based on chromatic aberrations, the Contax T* is the clear winner. The SMC Tak is second, then the Yashinon, and finally the Super Reflecta.
Sharpness wise, I see it differently. It is slight, but clear if one is examining the minutest details. I'm examining the bit of paint loss in the "E". The Contax T* is just ever so slightly sharper than the SMC Tak, and then the Yashinon and Super Reflecta are essentially the same.
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I see in the same way.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Always good to see comparisons. But I'm not sure the assessment of which one is "best" in this case is really appropriate .When I look closely I see the focus point with the Yashica and Super Reflecta lenses is pretty much on the aperture ring, but with the Planar it's pretty much right on the "Pentax" logo. And there's so little depth of field that with the first two that part of the image is already running out of focus. I'm not commenting on the Pentax trial lens because it probably has "issues" of its own that interfere with the results. If we use the aperture ring as the basis for comparison we get a completely "back to front" result
I find precise focusing at close range a real problem, so this isn't meant as any sort of criticism of Shrek who has done a far, far better job than I could manage _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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