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In comparision for ability which is better??
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: In comparision for ability which is better?? Reply with quote
The S-M-C TAKUMAR 1.8/55 or the RICOH 1.4/55


PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have both (Ricoh in Sears brand)

By reputation the S-M-C Takumar 1.8/55 is probably sharper.

My experience is I can't tell the difference.

Resale value of the Ricoh is higher, maybe 2x or even 3x the Takumar these days, everybody wants that f/1.4


PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a chance of bidding on the Tak now or having a go at the Ricoh ...I lean towards the Ricoh as that's what I have in my cameras Laughing


PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In 55 mm lenses, the Tak is one of the best.

In 1,4 range, the SMC Tak 1,4/50 has the fame to be a bit better (if it is) than the ricoh's (tomioka?) family of 1,4/55 lenses.

My option, Tak 1,8 lens.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have both, and the RIKENON 1.4/55 (TOMIOKA) is sharper than the SMC tak 1.8/55


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Missed the Tak so looks like the Rikenon is next up Cool


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
horvlas wrote:
I have both, and the RIKENON 1.4/55 (TOMIOKA) is sharper than the SMC tak 1.8/55


Hi Horvlas.

I read that among yours lenses, have the rikenon and the mamiya 1,4/55.

What about the mamiya ones? Rikenon and mamiya are the same tomioka lens?

Thanks in advance.

Rino.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, they has same optical construction, only outer cosmetics different. I had Mamiya 1.4/55 too, but I sold it, the rikenon maybe has a bit more contrast in pixelpeeping. Resolution is the same. Little difference only, maybe I had this difference if i had compared two rikenons...


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Horvlas, very much.

Rino.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: In comparision for ability which is better?? Reply with quote
Mo-Fo wrote:
The S-M-C TAKUMAR 1.8/55 or the RICOH 1.4/55



WHOOW....

What a compairison. a 1.8 against a 1.4...

Guys, first of all, you have to make clear the classes of lenses you are talkong about !

Take a 1.8 from a facturer you prefer... The Lense would be even better then a 1.2 from the best, Canon, Nikon or Leica.

But why this 1.8 lens would be sharper ?

Its so simple.. its a 1.8.. not a 1.4 or a 1.2...

The usability and correction on a 1,4 Lens is limeted for avaiable light situations. Its more difficult to calculate a 1.4 or especially a 1.2 for this special situations (and in addition to that, its much, much difficult to optimize a 1.2)...

Why you think you can compair a 1.4 with a 1.8 in terms of sharpness?
Whats your comparison base?
Are you talking about a 1.4 stopped down to 1.8 to find the correct and compairable base?

IMHO a 1.4 stopped down to 1.8 is mostly better then a 1.8 wide open..


Cheers
Hinnerker


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
To be honest I have no idea about the lens or what they are for technically,this question was posed just to get some idea for a learner on which is regarded in a higher esteem by more learned photographers. The choice was which one to aim to get above the other.No use buying junk all the time if I have the chance to grab something that is more worth while.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mo-Fo wrote:
To be honest I have no idea about the lens or what they are for technically,this question was posed just to get some idea for a learner on which is regarded in a higher esteem by more learned photographers. The choice was which one to aim to get above the other.No use buying junk all the time if I have the chance to grab something that is more worth while.


Than take the Mamya/Rikenon 1.4... its the best you can get for small money in terms of sharpness, bokeh and durabiity, thats are my 2 cents...
after using and compairing a Rikenon 1.4/55mm against a Summilux 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.4/50, Yashinon DS-M 1.4/50, Carl Zeiss HFT Planar 1.4 and some others...

The Rikenon is one of the best lenses at f/1.4 for the price..
Mostly its a real bargain. Not compairable with the Zeiss or Leica Summilux, but its a very good alternative lens.

Cheers
Hinnerker


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks!


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The best would be to use either lens for a while and then decide. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LOL...I am learning that is the only way to learn is to try the lens.The more I use my lenses the more I understand how it all works.I have my little notepad and write down the lens used, F stop,speed and subject so I know when I look at the photo what I was doing at the time.....next I think I have to put what light was available at the time.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mo-Fo wrote:
LOL...I am learning that is the only way to learn is to try the lens.The more I use my lenses the more I understand how it all works.I have my little notepad and write down the lens used, F stop,speed and subject so I know when I look at the photo what I was doing at the time.....next I think I have to put what light was available at the time.


I always have a little pocket notebook with me, mo-fo. Wink


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Me too.

I use the adams note. (n° pic, subject, zone, aperture, speed, zone taken, lens, observ.-to put the place, hour, day, etc).

In digital you have almost all of these in the cam.

Not fast but usefull (to me).

Rino.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


The lens I got,nice glass slightly yellow NO fungus,So very happy....now to use it Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
horvlas wrote:
I have both, and the RIKENON 1.4/55 (TOMIOKA) is sharper than the SMC tak 1.8/55


With many of these lenses, I think it comes down to condition. I think as a whole they are very close in performance.

I have owned both, and I could not pick a favorite. Either choose on price or aperture and you can't really lose.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Many non-Yashica M42 lenses have been claimed to be Tomioka-designed or Tomioka-made. Examples include various 55mm/1.4 lenses such as the Rikenon.

Where and for which lenses is such a claim substantiated? Where and for which lenses is such a claim an urban legend spread like some virus by bloggers and eBay sellers?


PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mo-Fo wrote:


The lens I got,nice glass slightly yellow NO fungus,So very happy....now to use it Very Happy


Congrats,

this is one of the best lenses, if not the best, i know in the 55mm range. Did own this lens for long time and did sell this only because i got the chance to buy a Summilux 1.4/50mm with high serial from the late 80'

Now this lens works for a german fried and he like this lens also very much.
Its his general lens since then.

Congrats again.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you Henry, I hope I can do it justice.
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