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assaf
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 26
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: walkaround zoom lens for Panasonic G1 |
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assaf wrote:
I have the kit zoom 14-45 as well as a few fast primes, but I guess from time to time I would want to travel with just one lens and in some cases I would need a zoom.
The kit is pretty limited and in range and speed.
I've read about the Vivitar S1's which seem to be pretty good (such as the 28-105 2.8-3.8 - that's a useful range and much faster than the kit). I'm also tempted by the range of the 28-210.
Any suggestions what to look for? Should I look for a cheaper MF zoom or invest in a more modern (but probably more expensive) zoom?
How do they compare in terms of size and weight? _________________ Panasonic DMC-G1, DMC-GF1
m4/3: 14-45/3.5-5.6, 20/1.7
Konica AR: Konica Hexanon 50/1.7, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Vivitar 135/2.8, Vivitar 200/3.5
M42: CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 Zebra, Helios 44M 58/2
Minlota MD: Minolta 28/2.8
C: Cosmicar 12.5/1.9
wishlist: Fast zoom
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dnas
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
If you get a lens such as a 28-210mm, then you end up with no wide angle at all, since it will give you the equivalent angle of view of a 56-420mm lens.
In this case, I'd say it's not the ideal walkaround lens.
A more flexible proposition is the Olympus 18-180mm 4/3 lens(equivalent angle of view of a 36-360mm lens), but it needs the Panasonic or Olympus adapter, AND it will not autofocus with the G1. |
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wilson.c
Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 364 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:04 am Post subject: |
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wilson.c wrote:
I've had the same dilemma since I got my GF-1. So I need a nice and light kit during trips and holidays when I don't have a MF lens hanging off it. After looking around I ended with the following two lens combo. The Lumix 7-14mm wide zoom which I got and the other is the Lumix 14-140mm. Another friend of mine has three in his set. 7-14, 14-45, 45-200 which costs about the same as my two lens set X-(
I've got the wide zoom and am very happy with it. Unfortunately with the 2x cropping factor not may MF lenses cover that wide.
Hope that helps.
Regards, _________________ Wilson
DSLR: Canon 5DMkII, 500D + Panasonic GF-1
SLR: Canon T90, Canon F1, Canon A1, Canon AE1 + Rolleiflex SL66 + Bronica ETRs
R'finder: Contax G1, G2 + Leica M6, M3 + Contax II
Lenses
M42: Angenieaux 90/1.8
Canon: FD 50/3.5 Macro, FD 80/1.8, FD 80-200L/4
Contax G: CZ Hologon 16/8, CZ Biogon 21/2.8, CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2.0, CZ Sonnar 90/2.8
P-Six: CZJ Sonnar 180/2.8, CZJ Biometar 120/2.8
Contax: Distagon 28/2.8, Distagon 28/2, Planar 85/1.4, Makro-Planar 100/2.8
Others: CZ Sonnar 135/3.5 (Hasselblad V mount)
More little ones to be documented.
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16663 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, cameraquest has teh right lens for you, yet it will be a bit delayed...
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Alas, the long rumored Voigtlander SL II 4-10,000/f.7 SuperSizedNoctNoct lens is not yet ready for the marketplace. Unconfirmed reports say the lone megalens prototype was blown over by high winds, unfortunately destroying Nagano's 1998 Winter Olympic Stadium. ((unquote)
http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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wilson.c
Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 364 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:33 am Post subject: |
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wilson.c wrote:
I want one _________________ Wilson
DSLR: Canon 5DMkII, 500D + Panasonic GF-1
SLR: Canon T90, Canon F1, Canon A1, Canon AE1 + Rolleiflex SL66 + Bronica ETRs
R'finder: Contax G1, G2 + Leica M6, M3 + Contax II
Lenses
M42: Angenieaux 90/1.8
Canon: FD 50/3.5 Macro, FD 80/1.8, FD 80-200L/4
Contax G: CZ Hologon 16/8, CZ Biogon 21/2.8, CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2.0, CZ Sonnar 90/2.8
P-Six: CZJ Sonnar 180/2.8, CZJ Biometar 120/2.8
Contax: Distagon 28/2.8, Distagon 28/2, Planar 85/1.4, Makro-Planar 100/2.8
Others: CZ Sonnar 135/3.5 (Hasselblad V mount)
More little ones to be documented.
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
I agree with Wilson, 7-14 and 14-140 is probably the best walk around zoom for the system. There is simply no manual wide zoom for m4/3. The weight is hard to beat too. _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
yeah, there are nothing but tradeoffs w zooms on a 2x crop camera. the problem w 7-14+14-45+45-200 is its not 'walking around zoom' as requested; plus its very expensive.
i have been thinking about this for a while and for me what constitutes a good choice is: at least a 5x zoom that would allow at least 35mm WA + smallish size to keep the integrity of the form factor + reasonable cost.
well, the only thing i found was a c mount tv lens, a computar 12.5-75/1.2. now i got it for a song, but it needs CLA to restore some functionality, so i have not been able to test it, and its a bit bigger than i wanted, but i think once functional, this will be my 'walk around' zoom.
until then, i continue to use the adaptall 28-80, which is very small and light, very inexpensive and works really well on my ep1. at 56-160mm it just doesnt cover the range i want, but outside i can make it work... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
As you know the G1/GH1 or GF1 are nice little travel cams but due to the crop factor 2 you will always have a problem with MF wide lenses. Older zooms are very heavy too so you go out with lens and cam and not cam and lens, will say you will get problems with the weight distribution too.
My son owns the Gf1 with kit 14-45 and 45-200. A nice and not so heavy combo with very good results.
I know it by myself that it is very fascinating to try out a lot of lenses with these cams - but really with older zooms it is not the hit.
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apicius9
Joined: 03 Nov 2009 Posts: 74 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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apicius9 wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
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well, the only thing i found was a c mount tv lens, a computar 12.5-75/1.2. now i got it for a song, but it needs CLA to restore some functionality, so i have not been able to test it, and its a bit bigger than i wanted, but i think once functional, this will be my 'walk around' zoom.
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That lens is decent but shows circular vignetting throughout the whole range. The only way I would find it really useful is in EZ mode and 1:1 format which brings it to an equivalent of 50-300mm at the cost of smaller picture sizes. There is a Fujinon 17-84 which is very similar in use but has an added macro range. IMHO, those zoom lenses have very limited use, unless you are fine with the vignetting. Personally, I don't mind it on some lenses (like a 25/0.95 Angenieux...) where you can use it well, but for a walk-around lens I would like something better.
I finally gave in and bought the 14-140mm - looks a bit like a monster next to my c-mounts but I think it's still the most versatile one out there that brings out the potential of the camera.
Just my 2 cts,
Stefan
P.S. That Tamron you mentioned - is that the older 28-80 macro SP lens? |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
that's funny stefa, as i said, i havent been able to test the cine lens because it has focus issues im trying to correct, but i did not see any significant vignetting from an admittedly cursory examination on the camera, just done to see what needed to be fixed...i do know that below 25mm or so on c mount, they are given to vignetting and i was surprised i didnt see much in my inspection. perhaps i will notice it more when its fixed.
re the tamron, no that was not the one i meant. i actually have the sp version also, which is bigger and heavier than the one i mentioned. the sp version performs much better on my 5d, but doesnt perform so well on the ep1. the non sp version i found actually performs better on my ep1--no idea why, and not a scientific comparison, just on basis of my eye. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long'
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
I would get a pentax x90, 26-676mm equivalent
http://www.pentaximaging.com/digital-camera/X90/
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• A megazoom 26X super-telephoto lens (26-676mm equivalent) ensures extreme flexibility for any subject near or far.
• The 12.1 megapixel sensor is ideal for large prints or cropping flexibility.
• Effortlessly compose and playback images and video on the 2.7 inch LCD with anti-reflection coating, or through the electronic viewfinder with diopter adjustment.
• Perfectly blends technology from both digital compact and SLR cameras, including powerful automatic operation or creative manual and priority modes.
• An HDMI port plays back beautiful high resolution images and video on HDTV’s.
• Triple Shake Reduction technology includes a mechanical sensor-shift mechanism, digital high ISO SR, and Movie SR, for sharp images, even in the most challenging lighting conditions.
• High speed continuous shooting up to 11 frames per second captures even the fastest action.
• Fast Face Detection technology quickly finds up to 32 faces for perfectly focused and exposed portraits.
• Capture even the smallest and closest subjects as near as 1cm with Super Macro mode. |
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assaf
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 26
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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assaf wrote:
I guess I should have mentioned it, but I already given up on the wide angle.
I think the kit would be fine for landscapes etc.
Getting all those fancy m4/3 zooms is out of my budget. I'm barely considering getting the panasonic 20/1.7. I'm looking for something cheaper and willing to compromise. I was wondering how the older zooms compare in bulk and performance (i see quite a few of them on the bay under $100). _________________ Panasonic DMC-G1, DMC-GF1
m4/3: 14-45/3.5-5.6, 20/1.7
Konica AR: Konica Hexanon 50/1.7, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Vivitar 135/2.8, Vivitar 200/3.5
M42: CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 Zebra, Helios 44M 58/2
Minlota MD: Minolta 28/2.8
C: Cosmicar 12.5/1.9
wishlist: Fast zoom
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
well, if youve given up on WA, and price, performance and bulk are issues, i would strongly suggest looking at the tamron 28-80mm. it is a very good performer on my ep1, it is very light and compact, and it is very cheap--i would say under $50usd. its hard to beat it for the money. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Don't look for wild angle with a 2x crop camera (I talk about MF lenses only) my practice is a film camera + slide (for wide angle shoots) + 2x crop camera with any lens. If you need cheap digital wide use panoramic software and stitch your pictures. In most case quality is more than enough.
Kiron 28-210mm is a bulky lens heavy, hard to carry and not perform well on 2x crop body at least this was my experience. All lower quality lenses did perform better on my Nikon D50 than on my Olympus E-1. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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n6mod
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:41 am Post subject: |
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n6mod wrote:
Pentax 110 20-40/2.8?
I'm only half joking... The whole set of Pentax primes is pretty small, and at least the 70mm produces really nice images. Need to spend a little time cleaning my other 110 lenses before I can make a fair assessment of them.
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assaf
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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assaf wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Don't look for wild angle with a 2x crop camera (I talk about MF lenses only) my practice is a film camera + slide (for wide angle shoots) + 2x crop camera with any lens. If you need cheap digital wide use panoramic software and stitch your pictures. In most case quality is more than enough.
Kiron 28-210mm is a bulky lens heavy, hard to carry and not perform well on 2x crop body at least this was my experience. All lower quality lenses did perform better on my Nikon D50 than on my Olympus E-1. |
Well how about the 28-85, 28-90, 28-105? Still heavy?
What do you mean, they don't perform well? Not enough resolution for center crop?
I'm going to carry the kit 14-45 for landscape shots. I don't have another camera (and don't want to carry one). _________________ Panasonic DMC-G1, DMC-GF1
m4/3: 14-45/3.5-5.6, 20/1.7
Konica AR: Konica Hexanon 50/1.7, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Vivitar 135/2.8, Vivitar 200/3.5
M42: CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 Zebra, Helios 44M 58/2
Minlota MD: Minolta 28/2.8
C: Cosmicar 12.5/1.9
wishlist: Fast zoom
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
the non sp tamron adaptall 28-80mm is very compact and light, and i have used it to good effect on my ep1. also cheap. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
assaf wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Don't look for wild angle with a 2x crop camera (I talk about MF lenses only) my practice is a film camera + slide (for wide angle shoots) + 2x crop camera with any lens. If you need cheap digital wide use panoramic software and stitch your pictures. In most case quality is more than enough.
Kiron 28-210mm is a bulky lens heavy, hard to carry and not perform well on 2x crop body at least this was my experience. All lower quality lenses did perform better on my Nikon D50 than on my Olympus E-1. |
Well how about the 28-85, 28-90, 28-105? Still heavy?
What do you mean, they don't perform well? Not enough resolution for center crop?
I'm going to carry the kit 14-45 for landscape shots. I don't have another camera (and don't want to carry one). |
I did test all above and none of them did catch me. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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