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Bronislas
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 Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: CZJ Flektogon electric 2.4/35 vs Schneider Kreuznach 2.8/35 |
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Bronislas wrote:
Everything is in the title. Which one is the best ? I can have them for nearly the same price. It seems that the Schneider is very light and compact, but what is its optic quality ? |
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estudleon
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Location: Argentina
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I suggest that you read the excelent job of our fellow No-X in this forum:
http://forum.mflenses.com/test-of-8-m42-35mm-lenses-t9092,highlight,flektogon+schneider.html#89020
There, I think that you will find all that you are looking for about these two lenses.
Good luck. Rino
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008
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Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Schneider 35/2.8 is quite interesting lens, but not very practical for everyday usage. The lens is good stopped down (f/8, even better at f/11), but not the best at f/2.8-f/4. The problem is quite weak coating, which tends to inner reflections. However, it's not bad if you use it for scenarios without direct sunlight or light sources. Diffused light is quite ok even at f/2.8:
http://img3.abload.de/img/sdim4086h0d1q.jpg
Flektogon is slightly sharper stopped down, more sharp at f/2.8-f/4, but curtagon has lower CA. I think Flektogon is better for everyday use and it's likely the most oniveresal 35mm lens for M2 mount.
However, the best 35mm M42 lens for wide-opened usage is (on my opinion) S-M-C 35/2.0...
100% crop:
...and for f/11 Auto Takumar 35/2.3:
http://img3.abload.de/img/sdim7761hr9i6a.jpg
Maybe some 35mm lenses are as sharp at f/8, f/7 or even slightly sharper, but this Takumar is uncrowned APO lens and the only M42 35mm lens, which is completely CA free...
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Bronislas
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Bronislas wrote:
Wow, this is a very interesting test ! As usual should I say, the Takumar are the sharpest, followed by the CZJ. The Schneider is not exceptionnal when full-opened.
I think I will hesitate between the Takumar and the CZJ, I found a Super Takumar 35/3.5 and a Flektogon 35/2.4. May I take the two, because the CZJ could be used for proxy / macro and choosen for its bokeh, which is said to be very good. |
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no-X
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Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Yes, Flek has softer bokeh, than the Takumars (and majority of other 35mm lenses). The only disadvantage is hexagonal iris, which can affect the bokeh if stopped down.
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
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Location: Argentina
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I don't use my flektogon 2,4 any more (yes I know, by now).
I find that "she" is very soft at corners, and not very well build. Yes, very good resolution at center. Very nice colors. But didn't fall in love with her bokeh.
As "macro" I don't like the 35 mm perspective, prefer the short tele ones.
I Don't use 35 mm lens (20 mm and 50 mm). But if use it again, I will try the Takumar PRO.
In schneider 35 mm I only use the retina reflex curtagon 2,8/35 a shortly time. It seemed to be a very good lens. With an original shade that is one of the beauty that I saw.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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