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orly_andico
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 Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: Three Fifties |
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orly_andico wrote:
with all the discussion of 50mm lenses... which one of these below do you folks prefer? and why?
I know this is an informal comparison, and the subject isn't exactly a good one.
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Orly,
#1 or #3, but the color cast should be corrected.
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Mal1905
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
#1 for me.
It's hard to pinpoint, but the colours are the most natural-looking of all three. 2 & 3 look really wishy-washy to me - but then again I don't purport to have the best colour-vision and haven't calibrated this monitor in a couple of months...
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Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 4/135 1Q, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2/28 T*, 1.4/35 T*, Ultron 1.8/50, Tessar 2.8/50, Planar 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.4/85 T* AEG, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Tominon 2/5cm, Auto-Chinon 3.5/21, 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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Anu
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Anu wrote:
As colours can be corrected in post processing, and if we stick to stamp sized prints, I'd say #3 because of the bokeh. Though #2 might have better bokeh quality... hard to say  |
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orly_andico
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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orly_andico wrote:
All of these were AWB under fluorescent lighting. ISO 1600.
Interesting choices 
If I identified the lenses would it change the ranking?
#1 Pentax FA 50/1.4
#2 CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8
#3 Pentax Super-Takumar 50/1.4 (UV bleached but still has a cast)
all wide-open. |
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overmywaders
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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overmywaders wrote:
I like the sharpness combined with lower color contrast of #2.
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Mal1905
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
| orly_andico wrote: |
All of these were AWB under fluorescent lighting. ISO 1600.
Interesting choices
If I identified the lenses would it change the ranking?
#1 Pentax FA 50/1.4
#2 CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8
#3 Pentax Super-Takumar 50/1.4 (UV bleached but still has a cast)
all wide-open. |
Personally, no change of ranking for me - to my eyes, #1 still stands out more.
Have never heard of this lens before now
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Canon EOS 5D / EOS 40D
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 4/135 1Q, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2/28 T*, 1.4/35 T*, Ultron 1.8/50, Tessar 2.8/50, Planar 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.4/85 T* AEG, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Tominon 2/5cm, Auto-Chinon 3.5/21, 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Bravo! Encore, encore! (I want to see more of these 3-lens same-shot comparisons where the lenses are anonymous!)
I like #1, looking at the contrast detail on the button on spray-can, and detail in objects on shelf at the far back.
#2 shouldn't have been included because dof is different. or the 50/1.4s should've been stopped down to F1.8.
#3 might be indescernable from #1 if lens element wasn't yellowed.
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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peterm1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
For one mad moment I thought those spray cans said; "Viagra."
"What will they think of next" was my first thought - followed closely by "Where exactly are you supposed to spray that thing?"
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overmywaders
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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overmywaders wrote:
Peterm,
It is a spray starch. It will work for your intended application I'm sure, if you use enough.
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mflex-on
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
are these nice lenses really made in the fifties? |
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orly_andico
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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orly_andico wrote:
@Mal1905
the Pentax FA 50/1.4 is Pentax's current AF 50mm lens. It's a 7 element 6 group design just like the K 50/1.4 and the M 50/1.4 (which are manual focus) and shares their 0.45m closest focusing distance.
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/normal/index.html
If you believe Mike Johnston (who loves the Super-Takumar), the late 7-element Super-Takumar lent its optical formulation to all succeeding Pentax 50mm f/1.4 makes. My Super-Tak also has a 0.45m CFD!
http://www.steves-digicams.com/smp/11242002.html
So you could say the FA 50/1.4 is just the AF version of the Super-Takumar and with a better coating...
here's the FA 50 with the metal screw-in hood of the Super-Takumar, just for laughs..
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