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no-X
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 Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: WW2: Battle for C. Budejovice |
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no-X wrote:
Here are some pictures taken at yesterdays inscenation of WW2 battle.
Synopsis: Wehrmacht troops are returning to local barracks. They are attacked by Czech civilians (fails) and later by US army. US troops breaches defence, takes some captives, but they are beaten by the returned Wehrmacht troops. Wehrmacht commander is comming to the battle field and decides on the destiny of surviving soldiers and US army vehicles. They are surprised by approaching CCCP army and their T34 battle tank, which reverses balance of forces in a few minutes. Despite the tank gets hit in last minutes of the battle by one of the last Wehrmacht soldiers, CCCP infantry comes and barracks are captured.
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gas-mask: Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
Weather wasn't good - rain at beginning, overcast later, sunny at the end of performance.
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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lahnet wrote:
Great pictures. Thanks for sharing these.
My fave is 17, love the composition.
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conor12 wrote:
 This look like so much fun.... 16 and 17 of that SS officer are quite menacing. He really looks like he has some evil intent. Well done
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Swappo wrote:
Very intresting report!
I'm intrested in modern war history.
Some of the pics are very good too, e.g close ups of the russian soldiers.
Great work and thanks for sharing. |
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tobbsman wrote:
Really great examples !
BUT I am just wondering why do people make inscenations of WW2 battles ??? ...
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
No 5 that guy is carrying a hell of a machine gun  I'm glad its not me Nice set of captures and some well preserved equipment but I'm surprised there was no Hetzer there! |
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
interesting reportage, thanks for sharing!
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
Phenomenal set, thanks for posting them up
I have never seen a battle re-enactment like this, it would be interesting to photograph on black and white film and print on bromide paper to see if it indistinguishable from a real battle.
Great work, really impressive  |
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
Thanks to all 
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| This look like so much fun.... 16 and 17 of that SS officer are quite menacing. He really looks like he has some evil intent. |
They were killing injured US soldiers…
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| BUT I am just wondering why do people make inscenations of WW2 battles ??? ... |
I think reasons are the same, why people make movies about it. Entertainment, or to remind people, how it was horrible.
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Attila wrote:
SS officer was impressive , well done captures!
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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ryan s wrote:
| GrahamNR17 wrote: |
Phenomenal set, thanks for posting them up
I have never seen a battle re-enactment like this, it would be interesting to photograph on black and white film and print on bromide paper to see if it indistinguishable from a real battle.
Great work, really impressive |
Definitely agree! Would have loved to be there to see this re-enactment. The whole time I was looking at the pics (aside from the modern glasses and hair/facial hair) it looked straight out of the 40s. Using some period-correct camera equipment (although probably shorter focal length and slower to use) would have been fantastic
In the US, people do Civil War re-enactments...mostly in the south at places like Gettysburg where the battle was most fierce. It's a hobby for some people...get dressed up with 1860s gear and go "act" out a battle for a weekend.
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patrickh wrote:
Wonderful set - I can't believe how much equipment seems to have survived
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: Re-enactment |
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scsambrook wrote:
| GrahamNR17 wrote: |
Phenomenal set, thanks for posting them up
I have never seen a battle re-enactment like this, it would be interesting to photograph on black and white film and print on bromide paper to see if it indistinguishable from a real battle.
Great work, really impressive |
Now there's a challenge - you'd need either a Contax or a Leica with uncoated lens (or a Super Ikonta or a Rollei) with some coarsely grained film (by today's standards) and a soft working developer to begin to get the authentic "flavour" in the negs. Plus some missed focus shots, some camera shake and maybe a bit of edge fogging if it's a roll film camera. But even then, the faces would give it away ... not easy to get healthy having-fun re-enactors to show the expressions of men who are tired, hungry and stressed-out for fear of their lives. Which I suppose adds further to the challenge ...
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Re-enactment |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
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| GrahamNR17 wrote: |
Phenomenal set, thanks for posting them up
I have never seen a battle re-enactment like this, it would be interesting to photograph on black and white film and print on bromide paper to see if it indistinguishable from a real battle.
Great work, really impressive |
Now there's a challenge - you'd need either a Contax or a Leica with uncoated lens (or a Super Ikonta or a Rollei) with some coarsely grained film (by today's standards) and a soft working developer to begin to get the authentic "flavour" in the negs. Plus some missed focus shots, some camera shake and maybe a bit of edge fogging if it's a roll film camera. But even then, the faces would give it away ... not easy to get healthy having-fun re-enactors to show the expressions of men who are tired, hungry and stressed-out for fear of their lives. Which I suppose adds further to the challenge ... |
Not at all, film wasn't poor in the 1940s, it was really very good. Thin emulsion films date from the 1930s, and then came back again with Ilford Delta/T-Max. Fine grain was infinitely easy to achieve back then. In fact, Adox CHS25/50 (Efke) films date from this technology. Thin emulsions with fine grain gave rise to superb developers like Stoeckler's formula and the legendary Buetler.
I think we assume grain because most of the photos we see from that period were printed in books and magazines of the era, and printing technology didn't do a really good job of mono photos until the 80s (at least in mags and newspapers). Actual prints from that era are as beautiful as anything you see today, even from 35mm.
However, lens coatings have made a huge difference to contrast and clarity as you have suggested. I am currently working on a little project which I will ask for your feedback on quite soon. I am using 1930s camera technology with film technology of that era with developers used at that time to achieve small grain and wide tonal ranges.
I think you are right about the human aspect too. War weary men would look so much different. You can't fake the horror they experienced.
But I have hijacked the thread, sorry about that  |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I didn't noticed this thread when it was first published. Nice report.
About the uncoated lenses... during WWII, as far as I know, most lenses were already coated. Those of the army, for sure. Perhaps also commercial ones.
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