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Nesster
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: a passel of 35s and 28s |
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Nesster wrote:
a much larger image available http://www.flickr.com/photos/nesster/2563898209
I played around with some old lenses over the weekend. They all have their good points, but the two Pentaxes are clearly the sharpest / most defined. Won't bore everyone with endless test shots....
I set up the Pentax K100D on a solid tripod, focused both to infinity and to 10 feet, and examined the resulting images at 100%. All shots were at f/5.6 for simplicity's sake. These observations together with other experience and more ad-hoc comparisons have given me the following impressions:
Hanimex Automatic 28mm f/2.8: clean, well defined, very natural oof, but isn't in the top tier resolution wise. This one's a birthday gift for the brother in law, with the Praktica I got it with. Despite the poor definition this is a good, even performing lens. And it focuses very close!
Vivitar 28mm f/2.5 (TX): slightly better resolution than the Hanimex, and the bohkeh is swirly and the color better. The aperture shape on this is interesting, with sort of mandelbrot horns - I think this does something kind of cool. I find the images tend to have a '70s feel to them, a kind of graininess and color. Focuses close. (This is NOT the same lens as the 2.8 versions, including the TX 2.8 I saw this weekend.)
auto Tamron-f 35mm f/2.8: old dedicated mount Tamron, even with the Yashinon, sometimes ahead of it, a very old fashioned look to the images, wonderful swirlies. Doesn't focus very close. Can produce impressionistic effects.
Auto Yashinon-DX 35mm f/2.8: good bokeh. this, the Tamron 35 and the Tamron SP 35-80 I'm taking this photo with are neck and neck, one is better one way / one day, till the next one does something nice too. Focuses close. This lens is capable in some situations of matching the Takumar for resolution and image solidity.
Super Multi Coated Takumar 35mm f/3.5: very sharp and well defined, dense color, great definition. This lens has a rep and I agree.
SMC Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8: again very sharp and great definition, this one is quiet, ie. doesn't hit you over the head with contrast and color, but really gets all the detail.
While the two Pentaxes are the best performers, I have a soft spot for the old Tamron, the Yashinon, and the Vivitar TX. With each I can get pleasing effects depending on aperture, lighting conditions, and so on. _________________ -Jussi
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I agree about the Tak 3.5/35 - a very nice lens! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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luisalegria
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Well done !
I like the definite conclusions, very often I can't tell one result from another, or it seems so minor as to not make an impression on me.
You are also right about the multiple qualities of lenses. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Nesster
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
A little update - I seem to use the Yashinon 35 most of all, a combination of the f/2.8, small size and light weight, and good 'street' IQ.
I'm on my second copy now of the Viv Tx 28, still a lovely lens but large-ish. The second copy doesn't feel as special as the first (weird) one. I think someone had taken the first apart and hadn't put it back right. All of a sudden it stopped focusing... which some day I'll attempt to fix. The second copy has a normal diaphragm shape, and the loose rubber focus ring. This lens offers a different take on the world than the Pentax 28's: more saturated and lush.
The two Takumars are stellar still, and now that I have my ES-II running, I get full aperture auto exposure with them. Drawbacks still remain: the f/3.5 speed. The SMC-A offers slightly better detail but at a faster speed.
Tamron-f I'm now thinking much less of, I haven't managed a good worthwhile sharpness and contrast out of it. Plus it really doesn't focus very close. Its one allure is that bokeh swirl.
Have I really managed not to get more 28's and 35's in a year? Hard to believe...
what am I saying!! Of course I got more - two Takumar 28's in one week in fact, a Super and a S-M-C. They are equivalent and bear a strong resemblance to their grand daughter, the SMC-A. _________________ -Jussi
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
A interesting comparison Nesster. Thanks for taking the time to pst your thoughts. I have this ongoing project of trying to determine who made what lenses for whom in the Japanese optical industry. Do you have some more images of the Tamron and Hanimex that I can add to my image bank?
Bill _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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Nesster
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Thanks, Bill. I gave the Hanimex to my brother in law, but will do a portrait of the Tamron-F. Based on further research, seems the -f line coexisted with the Adaptall-2, at a lower price point. _________________ -Jussi
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Nesster
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Here you go, detail on the Tamron-F
![](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3635/3554807837_738c5ba4da.jpg) _________________ -Jussi
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
That looks like a Tamron Adaptall 1 with a fixed mount...
Maybe that's what the "-F" means? _________________ Graham - Moderator
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casualcollector
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
Here you go, detail on the Tamron-F |
It is what I thought it was, Nesster. I was working for a New Jersey based chain named Two Guys when these lenses were current ca. 1974-75. We never carried the 35, but stocked the 28, 135 and 200. My recollection is that they were all the same lenses but the brands changed. Hanimex/Hanimar, Tamron F system. Your 35 matches the styling of the we carried and also matches the cosmetics of Chinon M42 lenses of the period. I think they are Makina made, but Tomioka may also be a possibility. The odd thing about them was the 28 and 200 shared focusing orientation with your 35 but the 135 followed the Leica/Canon convention of clockwise to closeup. Odd but apparently not completely alien for a lens manufacturer to do it.
That Tamron would rebrand another maker's lens then, might have something to do with the time frame. They may have been too busy changing over from Adapt -A- Matic to Adapt-All to keep up with distributor demand.
By mid to late 1975 we began selling Continental Optics branded lenses. They were manufactured by Makina and matched the Hanimex 28 at lower right in your photo. _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
I agree too about the S-M-C Tak 3.5/35 , it's a little gem ... _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
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Nesster
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Thanks for the info - I've wondered about these Tamrons. _________________ -Jussi
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I did modified a bit your small image I did linked higher resolution image from flickr. Please click on it to get result! I love these old Tamrons. _________________ -------------------------------
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Nesster
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I may be selling it at cost to someone local via flicr. Hate to see it go but it is #3 on my depth chart of 35's. I could give it to daughter, but I'd rather give her the Super Tak 28. _________________ -Jussi
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