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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3462 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: Russian optics - advice needed |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Since joining this forum and reading through the threads I've become increasingly interested in Russian optics and how good a lot of people say they are. As they are relatively cheap I'd like to buy a few to use on my Spotmatics but don't know where to start. Could someone maybe advise on a few to start with? Thank you. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Well you deffo need a Helios 44 of some sort! These are pretty easy to come by and can be had from anything between £5.00 - £15.00 on ebay. EDIT - forgot you already have this one
Next perhaps a Jupiter 9 85/2 for about £60?
Then I reckon a chrome 135/4 Jupiter 11 is in order, it's a good looking lens alright! These can be had for £30.00 - £50.00. Or if you are a bit better off, get a TAIR 11A
Finally, for something wider, how about a Mir 1? _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3462 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
Well you deffo need a Helios 44 of some sort! These are pretty easy to come by and can be had from anything between £5.00 - £15.00 on ebay. EDIT - forgot you already have this one
Next perhaps a Jupiter 9 85/2 for about £60?
Then I reckon a chrome 135/4 Jupiter 11 is in order, it's a good looking lens alright! These can be had for £30.00 - £50.00. Or if you are a bit better off, get a TAIR 11A
Finally, for something wider, how about a Mir 1? |
Hi Shrek
The Helios 44 is the only Russian optic I have but I never used it as I mistakenly assumed because it was Russian it was optically poor. A lot of you guys have put me right on that score! What focal length is the Mir 1? Is it the same as the Mir 1B? |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Yep, 37mm _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 1296
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
Yes Mir 1 is 2.8/37mm a Flektogon copy, the Mir-1 is m39 -1B is m42. I would also recommend the Jupiter 37A 3.5/135, a sonnar copy, as well as the fine choices from Shrek, and the Mir 24 2/35 its dearer than a Mir-1 but a very sharp and fast wide lens |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
My Mir 1 is actually M42 Whether it's an early MIR 1B, and thus labelled differently (like the Helios 44 nothing), I'm not sure... _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 1296
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
Sounds ok to me there are m42 Helios 44 as well, as both mounts were in production at the same time. The 44-2 and -1B designations were brought in to make it easier to distinguish one from another apparently so I would not be surprised if there were a few m42 Mir-1's knocking about- mine is chrome and m39 but someone removed the serial number for whatever reason. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
i absolutely echo the jupiter 9--its a perfect focal length on full frame, and close to a 135mm on a dslr, and its fast and just a great portrait lens. its a lens, like the helios, that you can use virtually any time. it would be my number 1 next choice.
also heartily agree on ANY mir: you can find all in m42. i have the 35mm/2.0 and its one of my favorites; and ive seen just wonderful shots on this forum with the less expensive 37mm.
might i also suggest the incredibly cheap, but very atmospheric industar pancake 50mm/3.5--its so small and yet so surprisingly contrasty and sharp--i have a recent thread on it with some photos. i got mine for less than $15usd. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
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Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
Poolhall wrote: |
.... so I would not be surprised if there were a few m42 Mir-1's knocking about- mine is chrome and m39 ...
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I've had two copies of the Mir 1 which were black and M42. I'm not sure about the "B" in the Mir 1B. Apparently (Zenit archive) the Zenit B was named in honour of the KMZ director "Voronin" (remember Cyrillic "B" ~ Roman "V"). I wonder if the Mir 1B was also named after Voronin. _________________ John |
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
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...also heartily agree on ANY mir: you can find all in m42. ...
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The name "MIR" was applied to a variety of lenses, not just those for M42 SLRs. An example is the MIR 38 which is available in Pentacon 6 and Kiev 88 mounts. Some cine lenses also carried the name. _________________ John |
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mflex-on
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:34 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
Poolhall wrote: |
Yes Mir 1 is 2.8/37mm a Flektogon copy |
Interesting ... which sources do you rely on?
Is it an exact copy of the Flektogon or does it rely on the optical design ... like Distagon or similar "retrofocus" lenses? |
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rappelbums
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 13
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:53 am Post subject: |
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rappelbums wrote:
Don't forget the Jupiter 21 4/200!
The Jupiter 37 is a great 135 mm lens very sharp wide open with round bokeh also stopped down.
My version of the mir 1 is sharp only from f8 on, maybe a lemon.
Helios 58mm generally is a great lens, the different versions have a different character regarding number of aperture blades an coating. Handling is also different, there are preset, automatic and non automatic versions. |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
How about an Industar 61L/Z (like the one I recently outbidded Shrek on).
It doesn't suffer the flare like the smaller Industar does and is a fraction faster (and bigger). _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 1296
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
Mflex
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Interesting ... which sources do you rely on?
Is it an exact copy of the Flektogon or does it rely on the optical design ... like Distagon or similar "retrofocus" lenses? |
Can't remember where I saw or read that but I think it is more a use of the same design rather than a straight copy of the Flektogon- actually it does say the same here-http://www.mflenses.com/mir-1b-37mm-f28-m42-lens-review.html, but I have seen it elsewhere too. I suppose it is similar to the way a Helios 44 is a copy but not exactly the same as a Biotar, as both it and the Mir were copied by the soviets after gaining the technology from Germany after WW2 |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I seem to remember that the Mir 1 lacks the close focus of the Flektogon however. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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egidio
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 222 Location: slovenia
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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egidio wrote:
Mir-24 is awesome lens iqwise. But its only russian lens I have that is not heavy and metal, looks like new nikon lenses. _________________ I use: Flektogon 2.8/20, Flektogon 2.8/35, planar 50mm/1.4, Takumar 1.4/50mm, Takumar 1.9/85, MIR 24H, Mir1v, Industar-50-2, Helios-44-2, Pentacon 2.8/135, cyclop 85 1.5 |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
I seem to remember that the Mir 1 lacks the close focus of the Flektogon however. |
Yes, it is very useful. I rarely use my Flek now. It's a good lens but not worth the inflated prices that they seem to go for. I think the Mir would be much better value for money. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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larsr
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 272 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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larsr wrote:
What I have understood is that the Mir-1 was originally made in the M39 mount for Zenit cameras, but later made, along the Kiev-10 mount, in also the M42 mount, both in silver/"white" and black finish.
The claim about the Mir-1 being a soviet copy of the Flektogon seems to hold some water, but I presume it was rather a redesigned implementation of the original Flektogon (Soviet source) _________________ Lars
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DSLR: Nikon D200
SLR: Nikon FA, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Zeiss Ikon Icarex 35TM
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M42
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Zeiss: Carl Zeiss (Ikon) Tessar 50/2.8, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, CZJ Pancolar Electric 50/1.8 MC, CZJ Biotar 58/2 T, CZJ Sonnar MC S 135/3.5
Asahi-Pentax: SMC-Takumar 55/1.8, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, SMC-Takumar 135/3.5
USSR: Mir-1 37/2.8 (1958 GP), Helios 44-2 58/2
Pentacon/Meyer: Pentacon 29/2.8 MC, Pentacon 50/1.8 MC Electric, Meyer G�rlitz Oreston 50/1.8, Meyer G�rlitz Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 200/4
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
Yes, it is very useful. I rarely use my Flek now. It's a good lens but not worth the inflated prices that they seem to go for. I think the Mir would be much better value for money. |
yeah, ive never been really impressed by what ive seen from the flek, except i must say for the macro capability, which can be stunning. overall i applaud the mir value. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Mal1905
Joined: 30 Oct 2008 Posts: 1705 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
How about an Industar 61L/Z (like the one I recently outbidded Shrek on).
It doesn't suffer the flare like the smaller Industar does and is a fraction faster (and bigger). |
+1
A truly wonderful lens with really great close-up capabilities - definitely worth considering... _________________
Canon EOS 5D / EOS 40D
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 4/135 1Q, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2/28 T*, 1.4/35 T*, Ultron 1.8/50, Tessar 2.8/50, Planar 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.4/85 T* AEG, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Tominon 2/5cm, Auto-Chinon 3.5/21, 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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