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WallyJr74
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 Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Porst Color Reflex 55/1.4 |
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Tomioka? I notice most if not all tomioka lenses have gold coated optics 
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
This lens is Tomioka designed and probably Cosina made.
The strangest coating of all Tomioka 55/1.4 I had tried, had this Cosina made Revuenon:
And here are 2 MC lenses (made by Cosina) and one single-cotaed "O-Revuenon" (manufacturer unknown)
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WallyJr74
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WallyJr74 wrote:
You mean Cosina produced the optics, not Tomioka? |
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no-X
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
The optical design was created by Tomioka, but there are several manufacturers, which manufactured lenses based on this design:
Tomioka itself, Cosina (definately), Chinon (likely) and maybe some others...
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WallyJr74
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WallyJr74 wrote:
Got it. I wonder if Cosina/Chinon made is as good as Tomioka... |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| WallyJr74 wrote: |
| Got it. I wonder if Cosina/Chinon made is as good as Tomioka... |
In M42, The tomiokas lenses never were as good as takumar ones. The 1,4/50 takumar is, for me among much more, better than the tomiokas ones.
Cosina lenses are good for the price now, years before were so-so. Now, with voigtlander names they do a very good lenses that not in the first class (zeiss, leica M, etc)
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
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Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
I heard, that from the mechanical point of view, Tomiokas 55/1.4 weren't as good as Cosinas, but I can't compare.
I can only say, that the Cosinas 55/1.4 were very slightly sharper, than the Revuenons with rubber fucusing ring with O-shaped dimples (no idea, who manufactured that).
I think that Cosina had good build quality. If they used good optical design, it resulted in very good lenses. But their own early optical designs were bad. I had 35/2.8 and it was horrible crap.
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sichko
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sichko wrote:
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| Now, with voigtlander names they do a very good lenses that not in the first class (zeiss, leica M, etc) |
So which class are the ZF lenses in ? I thought they were made by Cosina.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| sichko wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
| Now, with voigtlander names they do a very good lenses that not in the first class (zeiss, leica M, etc) |
So which class are the ZF lenses in ? I thought they were made by Cosina. |
I refer to voigtlander cosina lenses.
The ZF are voightlander ones?
If they aren't you have the answer by yourself.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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WallyJr74
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I read many positive reviews about Tak 50/1.4 but most of them are yellowed and they'll need few days if not weeks under the sun to get rid of it. I live in the north and it might take months.  |
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thePiRaTE!!
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| sichko wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
| Now, with voigtlander names they do a very good lenses that not in the first class (zeiss, leica M, etc) |
So which class are the ZF lenses in ? I thought they were made by Cosina. |
I refer to voigtlander cosina lenses.
The ZF are voightlander ones?
If they aren't you have the answer by yourself. |
Fwiw, I've had most of the Voigtlander SL lenses, two of the Zeiss ZKs and a few older Cosina manuals (Cosina and Porst variants of 55/1.2). I skipped out on Cosinas plastic period lenses.
Their older designs were alright, but their modern work is of a high standard indeed. The biggest thing I noticed between the older and new primes was the overall finish quality. On the older ones, there were visible a number of grub screw points and often things were fastened with just one. The modern lenses hide all this well and are more robust with better metals and tighter tolerances. The Voigtlander SLs and Zeiss ZKs seemed equal in quality both optically and physically, though I liked the consistancy through the Z line of the integral metal ribbing on the focus rings, as a personal preference.
I haven't compared these to a modern Leica for instance, but I can't think of anything to be improved with the modern Cosina work.
K.
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Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| thePiRaTE!! wrote: |
I haven't compared these to a modern Leica for instance, but I can't think of anything to be improved with the modern Cosina work.
K. |
I can´t think that all the leica M buyers like to squander its money, buying LEICA M while they can make it more cheap with the lenses voigtlander of cosina.
I believe that the logic and the common sense guarantee my position.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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thePiRaTE!!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| thePiRaTE!! wrote: |
I haven't compared these to a modern Leica for instance, but I can't think of anything to be improved with the modern Cosina work.
K. |
I can´t think that all the leica M buyers like to squander its money, buying LEICA M while they can make it more cheap with the lenses voigtlander of cosina.
I believe that the logic and the common sense guarantee my position. |
I... don't know about Leica or where this is going. I just wanted to say that in my experience, that modern Cosina productions seem to be 'first class' (and that the older primes were decent too).
Regards,
Kelly.
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Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
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Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| thePiRaTE!! wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
| thePiRaTE!! wrote: |
I haven't compared these to a modern Leica for instance, but I can't think of anything to be improved with the modern Cosina work.
K. |
I can´t think that all the leica M buyers like to squander its money, buying LEICA M while they can make it more cheap with the lenses voigtlander of cosina.
I believe that the logic and the common sense guarantee my position. |
I... don't know about Leica or where this is going. I just wanted to say that in my experience, that modern Cosina productions seem to be 'first class' (and that the older primes were decent too).
Regards,
Kelly. |
Hi Kelly.
If for you voigtlander lenses are first class, well it's OK for you, I never want to say that I have the reason in my hands, only my personal view.
And then, enjoy voigtlander!!
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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WallyJr74
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Just received Porst 1.4/55 this morning and it rocks! At f1.4, it's usable unlike Canon EF 1.4/50 I had before.
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