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iridium
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 Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: Best M42 Teleconverter ? |
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iridium wrote:
what are the 2-3 best Teleconverter M42 ?
(i prefer x2) |
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no-X
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I have no experience, but local users prefer Vivitar MC and Komura. Try forum search, some example images are here 
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Helios
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
Probably the Telemore-95 II Komura ...  |
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Kiron made 7 elements vivitar for example pretty good one.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I read about one with eight elements, but don't remember the brand.
Komura and vivitar are very good, sure.
In shutterbug, @1990/1992, there were a test of the nikon E 100 mm, the normal 50/1,8 with vivitar teleconverter and a prime 105 mm lens.
There, the teleconverter had a very good note.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Toeteraar
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Toeteraar wrote:
I'm afraid that there is no such thing as the best teleconverter.
My experience is that it is the combination of converter and lens that should be considered, and that can lead to strange results.
The Soligor 1.7x that i grabbed last year did magic to my Sigma AF 70-300 zoom where i expected it would completely ruin its IQ. In fact you can't tell by the imagequality if the converter was mounted or not.
I expected the same effect on my macro 50mm, where the converter worked as a shredder on sharpness and contrast.
As MF-converters hardly get too expensive, it's the best thing to experiment with more converters of different constructions. Remember that 7 elements compared to 4 elements can mean 3 extra chances to spoil your quality.
And where cheap experimenting can be so much fun...
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no-X
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
| Toeteraar wrote: |
| Remember that 7 elements compared to 4 elements can mean 3 extra chances to spoil your quality. |
Does it mean that I should prefer Meyer Lydith to Zeiss Distagon, because Distagons 4 extra elements will spoil imaqe quality?
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Toeteraar
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Location: Dronten Netherlands
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Toeteraar wrote:
| no-X wrote: |
| Toeteraar wrote: |
| Remember that 7 elements compared to 4 elements can mean 3 extra chances to spoil your quality. |
Does it mean that I should prefer Meyer Lydith to Zeiss Distagon, because Distagons 4 extra elements will spoil imaqe quality? |
In that example it's obvious that the Distagon should have better corrections than the Lydith.
My experience with converters is that a 4-element is not always a bad choice over a 7-element. As i posted above, it's the combination of lens and converter and it's always a kind of gambling how such a combination will work out. Good lens + good converter is not always to proof a good combination.
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estudleon
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Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
Generally, the planars design (MC version) produces best IQ than tripletes and its derivatives.
Of there, I can infer that teleconverters of 7 or more elements (MC) can alter with less damage the IQ of the primary lens.
Until there the logic. It can be that the reality of the use of teleconverters says another thing to us.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| Toeteraar wrote: |
| no-X wrote: |
| Toeteraar wrote: |
| Remember that 7 elements compared to 4 elements can mean 3 extra chances to spoil your quality. |
Does it mean that I should prefer Meyer Lydith to Zeiss Distagon, because Distagons 4 extra elements will spoil imaqe quality? |
In that example it's obvious that the Distagon should have better corrections than the Lydith.
My experience with converters is that a 4-element is not always a bad choice over a 7-element. As i posted above, it's the combination of lens and converter and it's always a kind of gambling how such a combination will work out. Good lens + good converter is not always to proof a good combination. |
Very interesat, Toereraar, your experience, Thank you.
Tell us, please, which teleconv's are so good with 4 elements and which so bad with 7. It could be a very usefull information and an economic benefit 
Regards, Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I have a vivitar 3x that's great at making things smooth. 
It came with a bundle of stuff or I would never have bought one.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| martinsmith99 wrote: |
I have a vivitar 3x that's great at making things smooth.
It came with a bundle of stuff or I would never have bought one. |
Did you put any pics taken with it?
Rino
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Rusty
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Rusty wrote:
I have the best m42 teleconverter ever made! 
It is a soligor 2x teleconverter with the glas knocked out, nothing to spoil the IQ
i use it as an extension tube for macro 
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| Rusty wrote: |
I have the best m42 teleconverter ever made!
It is a soligor 2x teleconverter with the glas knocked out, nothing to spoil the IQ
i use it as an extension tube for macro |
YES!
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| martinsmith99 wrote: |
I have a vivitar 3x that's great at making things smooth.
It came with a bundle of stuff or I would never have bought one. |
Did you put any pics taken with it?
Rino |
Next time ther'e a clear evening I'll try some moon shots.
I'll try and get some pics when I get home so you can see how bad it is.
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