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80mm, 85mm, 90mm, and 58mm
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: 80mm, 85mm, 90mm, and 58mm Reply with quote

Hi there. Here comes some quick comparison shots of 85mm-sh focal
length lenses I own. Camera used is (mirror shaved) EOS_5D on the
manfrotto tripod 055 with free head (good one), ISO 400, AWB, and
developed with Capture One 4 ver. 1 and its default USM setting of
130,1.3,1.0, and all at F2.8. And make them to 600x900 and saved as WEB jpeg.

1. Pancolar 80/1.8 only 80mm lens I have (104K)


2. Nikkor AF 85/1.8 (104K)


3. C/Y Sonnar 85/2.8 (96K), sorry for Sonnar 85/2.8 fan I goofed this shot (blurred)


4. Planar 85/1.4ZF (104K)


5. MC Rokkor-PF 85/1.7 (modified to EF mount) (100K)


6. Zuiko 85/2 (104K)


7. Elmarit-R 90mm (104K)


8. Contax G-Sonanr 90/2.8 (modified to M42 mount) (108K)


9. Tamron macro 90/2.5 (52BB) (104K)


10. Odd ball MC Rokkor-PG 58/1.2 (modified to EF mount) (108K, cropped to make same frame for comparison)


My feeling is that G-Sonnar, Pancolar 80 and Elmarit-R is doing pretty well, and ZUIKO 85/2 close behind.
(Maybe I should put 100% crops in here, but hard to see any big difference.)
MC Rokkor-PF 85/1.7 has less contrast than others, it was expected. Anyhow there is
not much difference among them, that is my conclusion. Of course subtle difference
is VERY important for some, since this tiny difference makes the winner at 100m dash
in Olympics, so I was told once. Very Happy Very Happy

Surprisingly PG58/1.2 is doing well (biggest file size), this lens is a pretty sharp beast.

Please do not take this seriously, I just wanted to shoot with them today. Boring shots indeed,
these some what controlled situation every lens is doing neck and neck, that is my experience.

Shooting scene.

Old Minolta 3X eyepiece magnifier (hard to find today, diopter adjustable too)


So stick to your lens, and happily shoot away. Very Happy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we have to make real photos in order to see lens' characters,
so here is some recent (today's) shots with MC Rokkor-PF 85/1.7.
(This lens was modified to EF-mount, and now can focus infinity on my EOS_5D.)

[Larger photos on Pbase have better colour than on these 600x900 photos.]

@f2 (larger one -> http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/image/106973502)


@f1.7 (larger one -> http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/image/106973505)


So my take is this, those comparison shootings do not give us any good information
about the lenses, you have to make photo yourself to see their characters.

The above shots are relatively speaking pleasant, yes less contrast, but
they look alright to me and sharp enough for a portraiture I guess, even this
old lens can kick a$$ sometimes. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no difference , looks all same to me. All are simple just great! Thank you for sharing! I look forward your report in field action!


PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No much chance, Attila. Laughing

Toronto is getting colder, and I do not use tele-lenses much. Very Happy
I do not know why I have so many 85mm lenses,
nor I can easily access to BEAUTIFUL models like you, Sigh. Sad

Oh well, life is full of ..... (you insert the word here). Confused

By the way, I have never succeeded to put up the large photos on
"Oversized Gallery", what did I wrong? (I did enter max size to
what I was sending, but no avail. I should do more? or file size MB
limit? not pixcel size)


Last edited by koji on Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:11 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koji wrote:
No much chance, Attila. Laughing

Toronto is getting colder, and I do not use tele-lenses much. Very Happy
I do not know why I have so many 85mm lenses,
nor I can easily access to BEAUTIFUL models like you, Sigh. Sad

Oh well, life is full of ..... (you insert the word here). Confused


This is my trouble too, weather so crap at winter time.


PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I felt like Atilla, all look similar Smile
I have 2(MF) and 3 and they look really good, well Pancolar is Pancolar, it looks a little more sharper Smile


PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Koji,

interesting test for me! Maybe I should send you the Pentax SMS 1.8 / 85mm... Wink

Cheers,


PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,

how you can use Contax G-Sonanr 90/2.8 (modified to M42 mount) on a digital body?

how you can focus the sonnar (has only autofocus) ???

greetings

loksi


PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See here > http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/g90_mods

It is pretty easy (for me). Very Happy


PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely agree on the very subtle differences.
There might be some differences in sharpnes and contrast but they are negligible, really.

Great set of lenses!

(Corrected)


Last edited by LucisPictor on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:42 am; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koji wrote:
By the way, I have never succeeded to put up the large photos on "Oversized Gallery", what did I wrong? (I did enter max size to
what I was sending, but no avail. I should do more? or file size MB
limit? not pixcel size)

Hi Koji. I see you are using the "Upload picture" button for your shots. When you use this button, any pictures larger than either of the minimum dimension will be resized. To show larger pictures in the Oversized Gallery you can link directly to your large picture inside img tags:
Code:
[img]URL of your image[/img]


I agree with Attila, I don't see a big difference in these lenses. The Elmarit takes it for me, but only just. Maybe <>85mm lenses are like <>50mm, there aren't many obviously bad ones. Shame I don't have any of your lenses, I'd have enjoyed seeing a comparison with the Takumar 85s or one or two Russians.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks koji. A fine set of comparisons. Agreed they are all very close, but I can see some fairly strong differences in edge sharpness(?)



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