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trifox
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 Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Biotar 2/58 - alu version with bubbles in glass |
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trifox wrote:
I used to have this lens - the alu version - with bubbles 
really sharp version - this lens is a truly colour master..
... life goes on
some shots from this summer :
http://photo.homer.sk/mf_lenses_gallery/000-biotar58-1/index.html
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This is superb to me really, all are excellent!
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trifox
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trifox wrote:
thankx, Attila 
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sichko wrote:
Excellent - as always.
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wOw, excellent results all of them !!
Attila has Biotar 58/2 described as a Pancolar.
Does planer 50/1.7 & biotar 58/2 have any similarities ?
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dekiller wrote:
Basically, bubbles has no effects on real-life photos. Nice shots  |
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poilu wrote:
top right corner is awful, I don't have such bad rendering on my helios 44-2
is this wide open?
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exen wrote:
Excellent colors. Excellent photo!
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trifox
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trifox wrote:
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top right corner is awful, I don't have such bad rendering on my helios 44-2
is this wide open? |
yes, the top right corner is the worst part
-- the lens was almost at f2 because of bad light conditions..
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trifox wrote:
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wOw, excellent results all of them !!
Attila has Biotar 58/2 described as a Pancolar.
Does planer 50/1.7 & biotar 58/2 have any similarities ? |
i can compare the Planar 1.4/50 and Biotar 2/58 only
biotar has the longest minimum focusing distance among three lenses mentioned above--
Pancolar is the best for close-up distance...
Biotar's sharpness and colour rendition is exceptional attribute of this lens but IMO the corners are not good enough ...Despite this fact there is a high demand on Biotar 2/58...
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A G Photography
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A G Photography wrote:
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wOw, excellent results all of them !!
Attila has Biotar 58/2 described as a Pancolar.
Does planer 50/1.7 & biotar 58/2 have any similarities ? |
i can compare the Planar 1.4/50 and Biotar 2/58 only
biotar has the longest minimum focusing distance among three lenses mentioned above--
Pancolar is the best for close-up distance...
Biotar's sharpness and colour rendition is exceptional attribute of this lens but IMO the corners are not good enough ...Despite this fact there is a high demand on Biotar 2/58...
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I used a lot my 3 Biotars 58 in food shots (so pretty open) and none of them has a so bad corner rendition. I guess it could be a misaligned element in the lens. It almost looks like a shot made with a Lensbaby.
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Esox lucius wrote:
Here's my Biotar 2/58 T (17-bladed iris)
The 12-bladed newer one I sold did not fit the Bessaflex mirror, but this version allows infinity focus - the rear element clears the mirror with what must be only 0.3 millimeters 
Some air bubbles which I don't mind but I do mind there is plenty of dust inside, it needs cleaning but more importantly it needs new lube. In -2C lens focus got so stiff I kept removing it from mount every time I tried focus towards infinity...
No sharpening or any other post-processing - scan to TIFF > sRGB > JPEG original size. More samples later tonight
Original size from here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/3147351465/in/set-72157607632795663
Original size from here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mureena/3147427669/in/set-72157607632795663/
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Attila wrote:
Very, very nice ! Especially last one!
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Esox lucius wrote:
Thank you Attila!
More Biotar 2/58 T exposures from the same roll of film. Bessaflex TM meter is a little conservative I learned with this first roll of film, so I pardon you for the slightly underexposed shots.
FRAME #5
FRAME #10
FRAME #17
FRAME #2 @ f/2
FRAME #3 @ f/2.8
FRAME #4 @ f/4
FRAME #12 @ f/8
FRAME #21 @ f/4 to 5.6 I think
FRAME #20 @ f/5.6 to 8 I think
FRAME #19 @ f/5.6
I will upload these all to my Flickr photoset at some point when I have time, now is getting too late
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Attila wrote:
Nice ones too! Clearly shows why Biotar 58mm so popular! Great set!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Thank you!
I will like my sample even more once I have cleaned the dust and re-lubed it - this time of year is a test to photographer's fingers as well as lense focusing gear 
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Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
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soikka wrote:
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Thank you Attila!
More Biotar 2/58 T exposures from the same roll of film. Bessaflex TM meter is a little conservative I learned with this first roll of film, so I pardon you for the slightly underexposed shots.
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Great photos!
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no-X wrote:
One Xmas-themed (ALU T 58/2 17-bl.)
(click to enlarge - no sharpening)
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