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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Bokeh of wide-angle lenses |
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no-X wrote:
In all bokeh threads is a lot of samples from 50-200mm lenses. Of course, they have the best bokeh characteristics, smooth transitions, nice OOF lights...
But what about wide lenses? Most of them doesn't have bokeh to kill for, but some of them are better than others.
Could I ask for some nice samples? Or all samples, not only the nice ones
Something for start:
Schneider-Kreuznach Curtagon 35/2.8 (@2.8 )
Vivitar (Komine) 28/2.8 (@2.8 )
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
35mm lenses can be great bokeh, best ones what I seen CZ Distagon 35mm f1.4. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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huhging
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 248 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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huhging wrote:
How about these?
Leica 28/2.8 Latest version
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Canon 24-105L IS
Contax 100/2.0
Contax G90/2.8
Minolta Rokkor 21/2.9
Minoltal Rokkor 100/2.0
Sony A7r
Zeiss ZM 18/4.0
Olympus Zuiko 21/3.5
Voigtlander 35/1.2 II
Voigtlander 50/1.1 II
Leica Apo M 90 ASPH
Meyer Tripolan 100/2.8 |
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Retro
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 173 Location: Krautland
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Retro wrote:
Vivitar 28 / 2.5 (Kiron) _________________ Cameras: Sigma SA300 - Sigma SD9 - Sigma SD10
Lenses: Sigma 15-30/3.5-4.5 - Vivitar 28/2.5 - Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 - Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2.0 (black) - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 135/4 - Sigma 28-70/2.8 - Sigma 70-300/4.0-5.6 - Vivitar 28-210/3.5-5.6
Equipment: Lightmeter Gossen Lunasix - Tripod Linhof/Schiansky Kugelkopf-Panorama-Stativ, Modell 161 - Rightangle Viewfinder Minolta VN - B+W Greygradientfilter BWG 501 - B+W Circular-Pol-Filter 52E - Photo Bag Crumpler Ben's Pizza XL
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Olympus OM 35mm f2
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Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
S-M-C Takumar 28mm f3.5:
S-M-C Takumar 35mm f2:
So far I hardly have used my wide lenses, only have taken a few photos with each,
those two are the only ones with OOF areas,
but I hope they do show the lens's performance
cheers,
kuuan _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
How about Hologon 16mm, of course at F8.
Distagon 2.8/25 ZF + 5D
Distagon 2/35 ZF + 5D
Biogon 2.8/25 ZM (RF, hard to make bokeh)
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
Retro wrote: |
Vivitar 28 / 2.5 (Kiron) |
any sample?
and do you know how the Vivitar 24/2.8 performs?
cheers,
kuuan - andreas
later edit: I did find a sample in the gallery:
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/vivitar/vivitar_28mm_f2_5/vivitar_28mm_f2_5-007.jpg.html _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
So many great samples guys!
This is my favorite currently.. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Retro
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 173 Location: Krautland
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Retro wrote:
@kuuan:
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do you know how the Vivitar 24/2.8 performs? |
No. I don´t possess it.
I like the Vivitar 28 / 2.5 very much.
It is solid built.
It has an excellent picture quality (very good resolution and great color rendition).
With "2.5" it is available-light usable, because it is very sharp even wide open.
Furthermore the minimum focal distance is with 30 cm very handy.
To illustrate, another sample of the Vivitar 28 / 2.5 (unfortunately not fitting for the topic "bokeh"):
_________________ Cameras: Sigma SA300 - Sigma SD9 - Sigma SD10
Lenses: Sigma 15-30/3.5-4.5 - Vivitar 28/2.5 - Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 - Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2.0 (black) - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 135/4 - Sigma 28-70/2.8 - Sigma 70-300/4.0-5.6 - Vivitar 28-210/3.5-5.6
Equipment: Lightmeter Gossen Lunasix - Tripod Linhof/Schiansky Kugelkopf-Panorama-Stativ, Modell 161 - Rightangle Viewfinder Minolta VN - B+W Greygradientfilter BWG 501 - B+W Circular-Pol-Filter 52E - Photo Bag Crumpler Ben's Pizza XL
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
Samples from Accura Diamatic YS 2.8/35.
Even underastimated, cheap - great lens if you use original adapter. I like it special regarding odd "like Helios" bokeh. Pretty sharp wide open.
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Carlsson
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 793 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Carlsson wrote:
Distagon 3.5/15
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
Topcor 35/2.8
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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cilinderman
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 317 Location: Canillo, Andorra
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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cilinderman wrote:
Still no photos to put on this thread. But great shots the ones that you post! COngrats! _________________ 5D & Fujica ST801|| Carl Zeiss Planar MM 50/1.7 (departed for resurrection) || Carl Zeiss Distagon 28/2.8 AEJ || Meyer Orestor "Pentacon" (relabeled) 135/2.8 || Carl Zeiss Jena 135/3.5 || Carl Zeiss Sonnar MM 85/2.8 || Carl Zeiss Flektogon MC "White" 35/2.4 || Olympus Zuiko OM MC 21/3.5 || Super Takumar 55/1.8 || Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8 || "The three tenors" from Orio (Nikkor pre-AI 85/1.8, 135/3.5 & 105/2.5) |
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thePiRaTE!!
Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 416 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
Lots of good samples in here. One thing I like Zeiss for is producing wides with extremely close focus distances, making unique perspectives available. The T*25/2.8 Distagon is the closest I have used at 0.17m.
Here are some samples from the Zeiss T*25/2.8 Distagon ZK
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Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
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Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
lenses for sale here |
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Puplet
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 410
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Puplet wrote:
One of my first shots with my Leica and Voigtlander 35/1.9:
And here's one from earlier in the month with the Nikon-mount Vivitar 35/1.9:
Am I right in thinking that nice bokeh is normally easier to make a close focusing distances, when the distance between the camera and the subject is relatively small compared to the distance between the subject and its background? |
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KhanX
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 430 Location: Bangkok, Thailand, München, Göttingen, Germany
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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KhanX wrote:
Great samples my friends,
I like Minolta 28mm f2.8.
Camera : Panasonic DMC L1
Pictures only resize.
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Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror
Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8
Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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dakoo
Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 603
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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dakoo wrote:
Some great samples here, i don't even want to comment on ziess 15mm. Ooh i think everyone here would want it...
KhanX wrote: |
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But KhanX why is this pot coming out of my moniter ??? _________________ Yashica ML 2.4/24, ML 2.4./28,
Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4, Planer 1.4/50, Planer 1.7/50,
SMC Tak 1.4/50,Tessar 2.8/50, Jupiter2/85
CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200
Canon Tns 24/3.5
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KhanX
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 430 Location: Bangkok, Thailand, München, Göttingen, Germany
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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KhanX wrote:
dakoo wrote: |
Some great samples here, i don't even want to comment on ziess 15mm. Ooh i think everyone here would want it...
KhanX wrote: |
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But KhanX why is this pot coming out of my moniter ??? |
ha ha ha, I really appriciate your comment.
I think this lens can make 3D as Zeiss if we select the angle of light for the subject. _________________ Camera : Leica M8, Sony Nex5, Sigma SD14, Canon 5D, Olympus E-1, Panasonic DMC L1, Pentax K10D Grand Prix, Nikon D1X, Contax RTS III, Contax 167MT, Exakta RTL1000, Minolta X-700, Canon T90, Canon F-1, Pentacon Six TL
Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror
Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8
Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
Puplet wrote: |
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Am I right in thinking that nice bokeh is normally easier to make a close focusing distances, when the distance between the camera and the subject is relatively small compared to the distance between the subject and its background? |
Yes, you are right. Practically is possible to make bokeh using every kind of lens under one circumstances - move as close as is possible to the object and try to take quasi macro shot. BG suppose to be "not busy", some lights make nice impression.
"Making" the bokeh
#1 Arsat 3.5/30, BG very busy, unpleasant
#2 Crop from photo above, better impression but still manipulation, unpleasant
#3 Tamron SP AD2 2.8-3.8/35-80, many viewers like very much such BG
#4 other example
#5 Helios 40, one from the best lens in my opinion, but photo below is still manipulation
#6 Tomioka Yashinon 1.2/55, "3 plans shot", first - rear side of laptop screen, second - group of people, third - wall with paintings - no bokeh at all
#7 The same lens, average shot, bokeh develops "by itself", because of lens performance
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Gurdie
Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 997 Location: Finland
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
Some Nikkors
20/3.5 AI at f/3.5
24/2.8 N.C at f/2.8
35/2 AI-S at f/2
_________________ Markku
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Puplet
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 410
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Puplet wrote:
Cheers for the explanation, Voytek! |
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