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McCroskey42
Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: First shots with Kenko soft focus |
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McCroskey42 wrote:
I finally got a chance to take the Kenko soft focus l picked up in the Marketplace (thanks again Klaus!):
Kenko Pics
Soft focus is a love it or hate it thing, and I absolutely love it! Most of these pics have a little sharpening and some contrast adjustment, but you can get the idea of what the lens is good for. Haven't really gotten to try it yet with portraiture, but I'll post a few samples as soon as I round someone up in the studio. Well, someone more attractive than me anyway...
Slightly OT: I've tried putting links to the pictures using the img tag and a link to my Flickr page, and they show up in preview, but when I post they don't show at all. Is there some kind of anti-spam voodoo I need to do to get the pics to show in-post? |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Re: First shots with Kenko soft focus |
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Attila wrote:
McCroskey42 wrote: |
I finally got a chance to take the Kenko soft focus l picked up in the Marketplace (thanks again Klaus!):
Kenko Pics
Soft focus is a love it or hate it thing, and I absolutely love it! Most of these pics have a little sharpening and some contrast adjustment, but you can get the idea of what the lens is good for. Haven't really gotten to try it yet with portraiture, but I'll post a few samples as soon as I round someone up in the studio. Well, someone more attractive than me anyway...
Slightly OT: I've tried putting links to the pictures using the img tag and a link to my Flickr page, and they show up in preview, but when I post they don't show at all. Is there some kind of anti-spam voodoo I need to do to get the pics to show in-post? |
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Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Hey , you did great job! Welcome to aboard! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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thePiRaTE!!
Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 416 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Re: First shots with Kenko soft focus |
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
McCroskey42 wrote: |
...Slightly OT: I've tried putting links to the pictures using the img tag and a link to my Flickr page, and they show up in preview, but when I post they don't show at all. Is there some kind of anti-spam voodoo I need to do to get the pics to show in-post? |
It happened to me too yesterday, but others could actually see the pics, then later, I could as well.
FWIW, your link seems ok, but leads me back to the main forum page... hmm. _________________ kellysereda.com
Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
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Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
welcome McCroskey42!
the problem you got with your link is a anti spam feature
I click the link in Attila reply to see your pics
from now that Attila have enable you, your links and pics will be valid
I like your dreamy pics, must be tricky to master but result is superb _________________ T* |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
The shots are well taken and is evident you know how to shoot properly.
I say this because what I'm saying is not to judge you, but still I feel the soft focus effect of that lens too much artificial and "forced", just if in PS you duplicate the image in a new layer and blur it to death.
I far prefer the effect of the Meyer Trioplan wide open. _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16628 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Maybe I can help out a bit, here the link to the pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mccroskey/tags/kenkosoftfocus2885/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mccroskey/tags/kenkosoftfocus/
[@Alessandro: If you look a bit closer to the "effect" of a proper soft focus lens and what can be done in photoshop, you may notice subtle differences (which makes a big difference, at least for me). Generations of still famous photographers were using pictorial soft focus lenses for their work; many manufacturers invested quite some brain and finances to produce such lenses; some of them still very much searched for and very expensive. This is quite a different world of photography of the finer tones - and not for everyone; so you may want to reconsider such a harsh commenting tone?] _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
[@Alessandro: If you look a bit closer to the "effect" of a proper soft focus lens and what can be done in photoshop, you may notice subtle differences (which makes a big difference, at least for me). Generations of still famous photographers were using pictorial soft focus lenses for their work; many manufacturers invested quite some brain and finances to produce such lenses; some of them still very much searched for and very expensive. This is quite a different world of photography of the finer tones - and not for everyone; so you may want to reconsider such a harsh commenting tone?] |
I'm not making generalized or "harsh" statements. I would get a Rodenstock Imagon every day.
But sincerely it has a completely different output than the Kenko, considering that it doesn't seems to me that the fault is in the photographer. _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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Rob Leslie
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 1103 Location: UK Swindon
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Rob Leslie wrote:
I can see what AG means but don't agree that a blur layer in PS produces a good result.
There are many very good ways of doing a soft focus in PS and many traditional ways of doing it in the darkroom and with the camera and any lens.
I do like your shots but they have a 'Blanket' effect as if done with a filter. A 'Diffuse glow' effect which is very easy to do.
If you like this effect and want to do it in camera with some control try a UV filter with a bit of vaseline. Start with just a thin layer round the outside leaving a clear centre spot then add more till you get the look you want.
Alternativly PS Filter- Distort-Diffuse Glow used on a mask layer gives lots of control and choice of soft effect.
I like many methods of doing it inc the lens option. I have a triplet lens from an old Lubitel camera in a home made mount which is nice wide open and of course Lens Baby as well as some lenses which give a soft flare haze when used with the right lighting.
I don't know anything about the Kenko soft focus lens so I am probably very wrong but it does look as if they have just put a simple filter in the lens
Simple Diffuse Glow added in Photoshop as a layer for control. The effect can be adjusted to taste.
_________________ Pentax K10D & K100D. Many Tamron Adaptall SP lenses, Fujinon f4.5 400mm. A loved Lens Baby 2, Lubitel triplet +++ and many film cameras. Mainly a Digital user inc G5, GR2
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McCroskey42
Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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McCroskey42 wrote:
Thanks all for the kind comments and tips! The lens itself doesn't have an internal filter that I can see. From what I understand about how it works, the soft-focus effect comes from spherical aberration, which is why it clears up as you stop the lens down. I don't have any examples from this shoot where I have the same subject at different apertures (I was too stoked with the look to think about clinical comparisons ), but the real advantage over something like the Vaseline-on-filter approach is that it's controllable without changing filters, not to mention a lot less sticky in the camera bag. If the weather clears up a bit, I'm going to head out to a huge flower farm in Carlsbad today, and I'll see about some more A/B style comparisons.
[@Alessandro: No worries...I didn't find the tone of your comments to be too critical. Like I said, soft focus is an issue of taste, and there are many ways to achieve the effect, all with their pluses and minuses. I appreciate the comments and a different perspective!]
Although I'm currently darkroom-less at the moment, I do plan on going back to my roots and doing the traditional black and white printmaking process at some point. Digital has convenience and infinite possibilities, but traditional printmaking has its own appeal as a process, even if your hands do wind up smelling like fix. The Kenko will let me do soft focus the really old-fashioned way when I'm back in the analog mode.
I'll probably get an old triplet to play with at some point in the future...any good recommendations? |
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Rob Leslie
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 1103 Location: UK Swindon
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Rob Leslie wrote:
I just found the older post about this lens with examples shots
http://forum.mflenses.com/kenko-2-8-85mm-soft-focus-t10626.html
Finding the right lens that produces character you like is a matter of trial and error. _________________ Pentax K10D & K100D. Many Tamron Adaptall SP lenses, Fujinon f4.5 400mm. A loved Lens Baby 2, Lubitel triplet +++ and many film cameras. Mainly a Digital user inc G5, GR2
http://robstreet.blogspot.com/
http://robleslie.blogspot.com/
http://roblesliephotography.blogspot.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64956578@N00/
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
McCroskey42 wrote: |
I'll probably get an old triplet to play with at some point in the future...any good recommendations? |
If you want sharpness CZJ Triotar 135/4, if you want soft focus and glow Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8 shooting wide open, once stopped down is similar to the Triotar. _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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