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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: CZJ Biotar 58/2 T (M42) |
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no-X wrote:
I have a chance to buy CZJ Biotar 58/2 T for M42. Does anybody know current price of this lens? And price of Biotar 70/1.5? Thanks. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Around 100 and 400-500 USD _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
Try to find old Biotar 2.8/5cm - this is not red T but this is also outstanding performer. I paid for mine $60 in mint condition _________________ Cheers, Voytek |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I found this one on ebay - $156 + $23 for shipping and still more than 60 minutes to the end
I can buy T for about $25, but it needs some servicing. Focusing is a bit stiff and two screws are missing on (I don't know, how is the part called in english) back-stop ring(?). I could obtain one more Biotar (without T) for $35 and use the crews from it, but I'm not sure, if both version use the same screws (hope so). _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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voytek
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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voytek wrote:
ebay # 290252458849. $65 including shipping _________________ Cheers, Voytek |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Arrived
wide-opened:
f/8 (1:1, RAW, sharpness = 0)
_________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Beauty! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats no-X! beautiful lens! _________________ T* |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Question: Are they all "preset" aperture lenses?
Thanks...(I have Exakta mount one.) _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
Lenses: https://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/top_level_my_lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
No , they have different variants.
I have
Exakta with external bumber
M42 pre-set
M42 auto lens _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Hi Attila, can you tell which aperture this biotar 58/2 has?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=380056131427&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=025
I like Biotar 58/2, but preset is a bit too much for modern usage. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
Lenses: https://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/top_level_my_lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is an auto lens, push pin do work with blades.Lot more worst than pre-set on DSLR. Best one to use on DSLR Exakta with external bulb.
I found Biotar really same than Helios-44 , Helios 44 has A/M switch. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
koji wrote: |
preset is a bit too much for modern usage. |
I much prefer preset lenses when I'm using a DSLR with an adapter. Auto lenses are only useful on cameras that have the bar to press the pin and close the blades, such as Spotmatics or Prakticas. On a DSLR with the aperture pin pressed in permanently the lens is in Manual mode - you have to focus wide open and then set the aperture dial afterwards. A preset is not a lot better, but it does allow you to set the aperture before you focus and then turn the stop down ring without needing to look at the dial. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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bob955i
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
As an aside, the only Biotar 2/58 in M42 that will work on the EOS 5D is the semi-auto version as fitted to some of the Pentacon FM cameras but the M42-EOS adapter really needs to have the rear ring to press the stop-down pin in for reliable operation.
The preset is a no-no as it has a rear "nose" that fouls the 5D's mirror. |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
OK, OK. My saying "preset" is to change aperture I have to push aperture ring before rotating for EXAKTA 58/2 I own. Some "preset" lens such as Takumar Macro 50/4 works fine, and also if you take out the stopper pin from OM->EF adapter you can set an aperture first and just before shooting you press shutter button you press also aperture button on the lens, this works well too. Life becomes too complicated these days. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
My Biotar 58/2 T arrived on Friday, together with a Tessar 50/2.8 T, Sonnar 135/3.5 and Flektogon 35/2.4 MC
Today I had an hour of time to test mainly the Biotar in a park nearby, and I was really impressed by how well it behaves on the D3. Still waiting for the non-glass adapter, the slight loss of detail with the Bower M42 to Nikon mount adapter I found looks acceptable.
The rest of the test shots in original size here _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I really like the last one! You got a great batch of lenses, congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Thank You Attila, yes I'm thrilled
I actually owe the batch to you, as I wouldn't have dared to buy 4 lenses from the same seller unless he came strongly recommended, and you gave the eBay seller of these fine instruments a very high score in another discussion here on the forum. _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Which seller ? Exaklaus or grizzly ? _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
stil22
Exact descriptions, excellent condition of lenses, fast replies, promptly shipped, well packaged... He even messaged me in my mother tongue (Swedish), which is outstanding since he's Greek. _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
YES! He is one of the greatest seller on Ebay, I don't how can able to get those beauties. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Esox lucius wrote: |
He even messaged me in my mother tongue (Swedish), which is outstanding since he's Greek |
Lot of Swedish woman stay here after trying local flavors _________________ T* |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Yes, he evidently has a very developed taste, be it women or cameras. Just bought a Pentacon 135/2.8 from him, these should keep me busy and away from eBay for a while _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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