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MF-addicted
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 803 Location: Stuttgart (Germany)
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: Leitz Vario Elmar 70-210 f4 |
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MF-addicted wrote:
Out of curiosity and due to low price I snapped on a Leitz Vario Elmar 4/70-210.
I got it for a little more than 100 Euro and can't wait until the lens comes in.
Then I will take some images to show.
It seems to be a copy of the Minolta built lens called BEERCAN.
Must be a solid performer:
http://www.dyxum.com/reviews/lenses/Minolta-AF-70-210-F4-_review48.html
Here some images that made me keen on getting this lens:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25126059@N02/3628828470/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/are-mean/5095370484/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guilherme_netto/4964329634/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdphotos/3589621709/
Seems to be a good bang for a buck.
Anyone using this lens?
Any Information appreciated. _________________
EOS 5D MK II, EOS 5D Classic, EOS 400D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
Lenses for sale, please contact via PM: None at the moment
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SVP
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 665 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:27 am Post subject: |
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SVP wrote:
Used to have it in the past and was using it with my SL2 Leicaflex bodies.
A Minolta-built lens indeed, a stellar performer by any yardstick.
I still regret not keeping it when I sold my SL2s some six years ago (together with the 350/4.8 Telyt as well...). |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
Congrats for your find. Normally the price will be double.
Many of the leica lenses and zooms were Minolta calculations. Have the predecessor (4,5/70-200 also a Minolta lens) nice to work with and results are ok.
_________________ Rolf |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I had teh beercan for a while when I used Sonys, and it's a nice sharp lens. CA can be a problem though (purple fringing specifically). _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I had the Minolta beercan for years, bought it secondhand in 1993 to go with a Minolta 7000 AF body.
Great lens, very sharp and contrasty and punchy colours, sadly sold mine a decade ago after the 7000 body broke. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Rolf wrote: |
Congrats for your find. Normally the price will be double.
Many of the leica lenses and zooms were Minolta calculations. Have the predecessor (4,5/70-200 also a Minolta lens) nice to work with and results are ok.
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Guten tag Rolf
Does this mean that some of the Minolta MD lenses are the same as a Leitz counterpart?
You wouldn't happen to know which, as Minolta lenses are a mere fraction the price of Leitz... _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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MF-addicted
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 803 Location: Stuttgart (Germany)
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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MF-addicted wrote:
Thanks to all for the information about the lens.
I wanted to get a walkaround zoom for portraiture with Leica colours.
Although having 2 Contax zooms for sharpness, I like the Leica colours for taking pictures of people.
Will keep you informed when the lens comes in and I will show some pictures for sure. _________________
EOS 5D MK II, EOS 5D Classic, EOS 400D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
Lenses for sale, please contact via PM: None at the moment
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Rolf wrote: |
Congrats for your find. Normally the price will be double.
Many of the leica lenses and zooms were Minolta calculations. Have the predecessor (4,5/70-200 also a Minolta lens) nice to work with and results are ok.
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Guten tag Rolf
Does this mean that some of the Minolta MD lenses are the same as a Leitz counterpart?
You wouldn't happen to know which, as Minolta lenses are a mere fraction the price of Leitz... |
As far as I know
3.5/35-70mm
4/70-210
4,5/75-200
8/500
may be some other too.
Here a link to Leica wiki with all lens information
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/index.php/Kategorie:Leica_R-System
_________________ Rolf |
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2108 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
And
2.8/24
4.5/80-200
too are Minolta designed and made. But coatings are different than Minolta's.
3.5-4/21-35 is Sigma made,
2.8/15 ASPH is Schneider made,
3.4/21 is Schneider made,
PA Curtagon 4/35 is Schneider made,
and
Super zooms 2.8/70-180 and 2.8/35-70 are Leica designed of course,
but rumor says made in japan, the former was built by Kyoto Optics
under Kyocera at the production time. The later zoom is difficult to
identify where it was built, but most likely by Sigma. Of course these are rumors. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
Lenses: https://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/top_level_my_lenses |
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
And
Vario-Elmar-R 3.5-4.5/28-70 was also made by SIGMA
_________________ Rolf |
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MF-addicted
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 803 Location: Stuttgart (Germany)
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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MF-addicted wrote:
The beauty came in today - in a real mint condition
Technical data:
- Push-pull zoom
- Aperture 4-22
- 7 blades
- Minimum focussing distance 1.1m
- Filter E60
- Weight 740g
- Min. lenght 158mm
- Made in Japan by Minolta
- Integrated hood
- Produced from 1983-1996
First impression:
- solid zoom
- suffers from zoom creep
- some slight CAs, but good manageable in PP
- sharp wide open
- very sharp at f 5.6-8
(nicely sharp for portraits, but not razor sharp like Zeiss)
- good colour rendition
- contrast little soft wide open, but great stopped down to f 5.6
A real good zoom for portraiture.
Will take some shots and show them here. Stay tuned. _________________
EOS 5D MK II, EOS 5D Classic, EOS 400D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
Lenses for sale, please contact via PM: None at the moment
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MF-addicted
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 803 Location: Stuttgart (Germany)
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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MF-addicted wrote:
Two out of cam shots EOS 5D at min. focussing distance 1.1m with 210mm
first @ f 4 wide open - see some vignetting and CA
second @ f 8 - vignetting gone - smooth background bokeh
Not one of the sharpest zoom lenses, but for sure one with a really beautiful colour rendering _________________
EOS 5D MK II, EOS 5D Classic, EOS 400D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
Lenses for sale, please contact via PM: None at the moment
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I have the Beercan and its a good lens. To be honest, I think the reputation it has is overly kind, but still, a very good lens. Does suffer from CA. I tested it once against my Series 1 200mm and it wasn't nearly as sharp. The beercan zoom is all internal as the length does not change - and the zoom is rotational, not push-pull. The short end is actually 75mm if I remember correctly, which shows up on EXIF. AF works very well and fast, but not a factor for MF.
One should not consider buying the Minolta versions of these lenses a good buy for a Leitz, but rather paying more under the Leitz name too expensive for a Minolta lens.
Here's a couple from my beercan...
_________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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BRunner wrote:
MF-addicted, colors look nice. I'm curious about pictures from outside.
Woodrim, the turtle looks really bloodthirsty _________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
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Attila
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Rolf wrote: |
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Vario-Elmar-R 3.5-4.5/28-70 was also made by SIGMA
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Dang how many people paid premium price for a SIGMA _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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torbod
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 379 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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torbod wrote:
The Beercan is a very good lens. Sometimes overrated, at least cost wise. But I often forget how good it is. It has lovely bokeh, great contrast and color saturation that in conjunction gives a nice depth/pop to the images. The sharpness is very good already from wide open. I even think edge sharpness outperforms my modern AF Tamron SP 2.8 tele zoom at f/4. I often find CA to be quite okay, but PF can be somewhat annoying wide open on shiny objects.
Just a random shot sample at f/4.5 (focus on the arm)
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For Sale or Trade: Pick from the list below.
Manual Lenses: CV 15 4.5 | MIR-20H 20 3.5 | Elmarit-R 28 2.8 | Flektogon MC 35 2.4 | S-M-C Tak 50 1.4 | Rollei 50 1.8 HFT | Helios 44-3 MC 58 2 | MC ROKKOR-X 58 1.2 | MacroPlanar 60 2.8 | Vega-12b 90 2.8 | Tamron 52B 90 2.5 | CZJ 135 3.5 | Jupiter-21A 200 4 | Tair-3s 300 4.5 | KOHBEPTEP K-1 | Takumar x2 |
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james
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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james wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Rolf wrote: |
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Vario-Elmar-R 3.5-4.5/28-70 was also made by SIGMA
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Dang how many people paid premium price for a SIGMA |
How many are STILL paying a premium for the Minolta designed Leica R 24 Elmarit? I see it sold for US600-750. Even more for the ROM-version,
Just crazy. |
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Rolf
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Rolf wrote: |
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Vario-Elmar-R 3.5-4.5/28-70 was also made by SIGMA
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Dang how many people paid premium price for a SIGMA |
Everybody knows this and noone is paying a premium price for this lens. Price around 250 €. _________________ Rolf |
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james
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james wrote:
Rolf wrote: |
Everybody knows this and noone is paying a premium price for this lens. Price around 250 €. |
I have seen them appear and then disappear from the inventories of sellers in the US who do not compromise on the set price (B&H, KEH).
Igor Camera Exchange (US$750):
http://www.igorcamera.com/leica_lenses.htm
Camerawest (ROM $795):
http://www.camerawest.com/categories/usedProducts/12555/
KEH (US$890)
http://www.keh.com/camera/Leica-R-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-LR06999051880K?r=FE |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Not one of the sharpest zoom lenses, but for sure one with a really beautiful colour rendering
+1 on that! Beautiful. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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