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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Today I purchased an unusual Helios-44M-5. I've never encountered any Vilejka made Helioses before Shocked


PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:19 pm    Post subject: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
Humulus wrote:
Today I purchased an unusual Helios-44M-5. I've never encountered any Vilejka made Helioses before Shocked


Yes, they are seen in a very little number. Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
fotografiasol wrote:
Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

1997


PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
Humulus wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

1997


Thank You! Please, can somebody explain why the Vilejka plant without a tradition of making Helios-44 manufactured at last a very little number of them so lately?


PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
fotografiasol wrote:
Humulus wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

1997


Thank You! Please, can somebody explain why the Vilejka plant without a tradition of making Helios-44 manufactured at last a very little number of them so lately?



Hi FGF,


MMZ and Vilejka merged around 1970 and became BELOMO.

They continued using their own logos on Zenit/Helios products, along with the original branding. Probably, simply tae use up stocks. Their photographic products were mainly aimed at home markets, so maybe an added distinguishing logo so that buyers would recognise export from local products. Since the home products were always perceived (in later years) as inferior.

Ah think Zenit cameras/equipment are still made in the original Vilejka plant. Cool


PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
TAo2 wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Humulus wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

1997


Thank You! Please, can somebody explain why the Vilejka plant without a tradition of making Helios-44 manufactured at last a very little number of them so lately?



Hi FGF,


MMZ and Vilejka merged around 1970 and became BELOMO.

They continued using their own logos on Zenit/Helios products, along with the original branding. Probably, simply tae use up stocks. Their photographic products were mainly aimed at home markets, so maybe an added distinguishing logo so that buyers would recognise export from local products. Since the home products were always perceived (in later years) as inferior.

Ah think Zenit cameras/equipment are still made in the original Vilejka plant. Cool


I'm not sure about it, there were a lot of legal problem between them and KMZ... and on BeLOMO site there isn't any camera.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
TAo2 wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Humulus wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

1997


Thank You! Please, can somebody explain why the Vilejka plant without a tradition of making Helios-44 manufactured at last a very little number of them so lately?



Hi FGF,


MMZ and Vilejka merged around 1970 and became BELOMO.

They continued using their own logos on Zenit/Helios products, along with the original branding. Probably, simply tae use up stocks. Their photographic products were mainly aimed at home markets, so maybe an added distinguishing logo so that buyers would recognise export from local products. Since the home products were always perceived (in later years) as inferior.

Ah think Zenit cameras/equipment are still made in the original Vilejka plant. Cool


Thank you for your answer. I'm also not sure. The problem is I never saw a Vileyka made Helios until I see this 44-M5 from 1997. And this Helios does not look like any MMZ made Helios, instaed it looks 100% like a Valdai made 44-M5.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: When the Vilejka made Helios was made? Reply with quote
fotografiasol wrote:
TAo2 wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Humulus wrote:
fotografiasol wrote:
Please, could you tell us the year your Vilejka made Helios was made? Thank you.

1997


Thank You! Please, can somebody explain why the Vilejka plant without a tradition of making Helios-44 manufactured at last a very little number of them so lately?



Hi FGF,


MMZ and Vilejka merged around 1970 and became BELOMO.

They continued using their own logos on Zenit/Helios products, along with the original branding. Probably, simply tae use up stocks. Their photographic products were mainly aimed at home markets, so maybe an added distinguishing logo so that buyers would recognise export from local products. Since the home products were always perceived (in later years) as inferior.

Ah think Zenit cameras/equipment are still made in the original Vilejka plant. Cool


Thank you for your answer. I'm also not sure. The problem is I never saw a Vileyka made Helios until I see this 44-M5 from 1997. And this Helios does not look like any MMZ made Helios, instaed it looks 100% like a Valdai made 44-M5.


Ah know that Zenit 130s were made in Vilejka, so that takes them intae the 21st C. at least. Mebbe no camera production now.

The Helios lens is likely (as said above) a Valdai product, since they made lenses for Belomo for years after that company was formed. Ah think the Vilejka symbol was used as mentioned above. FSU cameras and lenses had been branded like that throughout their history - e.g. FED branded Industar lenses.

If it was easy tae work out, this thread would've lasted around 3 pages... Laughing Cool


PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:29 pm    Post subject: More about this lens? Reply with quote
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
With the way production of the 44 moved around so much, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MMZ was ordered to produce the 44-2 in 76 just to keep the factory busy.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I did some research and it seems that the rare Vilejka Helios-44M-5 was one of kit lenses for the ZENIT 130 camera (together with Valdai Helios-44M-5 with new barrel design and Valdai Helios-44M-4) manufactured in Belarus in the late nineties.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980.


No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2.


PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980.


No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2.


From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :

"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3

It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).

Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2?


PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980.


No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2.


From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :

"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3

It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).

Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2?


No BM, the translation is Helios 44-2, made in MMZ in 1969 and 70 not 70s. As I said, from 1971 MMZ used the first 2 digits of the s/n (as all other manufacturers) allowing for old stock etc.

Cool


PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980.


No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2.


From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :

"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3

It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).

Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2?


No BM, the translation is Helios 44-2, made in MMZ in 1969 and 70 not 70s. As I said, from 1971 MMZ used the first 2 digits of the s/n (as all other manufacturers) allowing for old stock etc.

Cool


It's not that big deal, but 70x mean that it's not only 70, and all the 70's. Also the exemple given is pretty clear : if serial is 5012345, then it's 1975. Smile First digit is 5, so even in 1975, the first digit rule ruled.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
Nero299 wrote:
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!

My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.



MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980.


No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2.


From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :

"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3

It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).

Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2?


No BM, the translation is Helios 44-2, made in MMZ in 1969 and 70 not 70s. As I said, from 1971 MMZ used the first 2 digits of the s/n (as all other manufacturers) allowing for old stock etc.

Cool


It's not that big deal, but 70x mean that it's not only 70, and all the 70's. Also the exemple given is pretty clear : if serial is 5012345, then it's 1975. Smile First digit is 5, so even in 1975, the first digit rule ruled.


Well BM, Calvin's asking for info on his lens, the info is...MMZ followed KMZ'S S/N.There was a brief hiatus in 1969/70, when both[i] KMZ and MMZ change their system (coinciding with MMZ becoming Belomo). Lenses beginning with 9 were made in 196[b]9[/b] - lenses beginning with 0 were made in 1970.

Under the old system, if a lens from KMZ or MMZ begins with 5 it was made in 196[b]5[/b]. From 1971, both KMZ and Belomo (MMZ) used the two digits of the year as the first two digits of the S/N . eg 71xxx - 1971, 76xxx - 1976. Ah can't be any clearer than that. That is the correct sequence... Cool


PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
TAo2 wrote:

Well BM, Calvin's asking for info on his lens, the info is...MMZ followed KMZ'S S/N.There was a brief hiatus in 1969/70, when both[i] KMZ and MMZ change their system (coinciding with MMZ becoming Belomo). Lenses beginning with 9 were made in 196[b]9[/b] - lenses beginning with 0 were made in 1970.

Under the old system, if a lens from KMZ or MMZ begins with 5 it was made in 196[b]5[/b]. From 1971, both KMZ and Belomo (MMZ) used the two digits of the year as the first two digits of the S/N . eg 71xxx - 1971, 76xxx - 1976. Ah can't be any clearer than that. That is the correct sequence... Cool


What you say is clear, but that doesn't mean that it's true Smile . Zenitcamera says the opposite (lens made in 1975 used the old 1 digit system). Btw, what is your source?


PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe you both might have fallen victim to the infamous Soviet disinformation campaign Laughing


PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: More about this lens? Reply with quote
BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote:

Well BM, Calvin's asking for info on his lens, the info is...MMZ followed KMZ'S S/N.There was a brief hiatus in 1969/70, when both[i] KMZ and MMZ change their system (coinciding with MMZ becoming Belomo). Lenses beginning with 9 were made in 196[b]9[/b] - lenses beginning with 0 were made in 1970.

Under the old system, if a lens from KMZ or MMZ begins with 5 it was made in 196[b]5[/b]. From 1971, both KMZ and Belomo (MMZ) used the two digits of the year as the first two digits of the S/N . eg 71xxx - 1971, 76xxx - 1976. Ah can't be any clearer than that. That is the correct sequence... Cool


What you say is clear, but that doesn't mean that it's true Smile . Zenitcamera says the opposite (lens made in 1975 used the old 1 digit system). Btw, what is your source?


Hi BM,




PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Humulus wrote:
I believe you both might have fallen victim to the infamous Soviet disinformation campaign Laughing


Hi Humulus,

The guy's Czech... Laughing As ah said before, if this was easy, there'd only be 3 pages Cool Wink


PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just bought myself another Vilejka Helios-44M-5. This time with a nice serial number starting with '0000'. The Zenit body (Vilejka Zenit 130) it was attached to was manufactured in 1998.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Humulus wrote:
Just bought myself another Vilejka Helios-44M-5. This time with a nice serial number starting with '0000'. The Zenit body (Vilejka Zenit 130) it was attached to was manufactured in 1998.


Congratulations! Please, show us pictures of the lens and camera. Thank you.
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