| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009
Posts: 1749
|
 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:05 pm Post subject: Your opinion sought: 17mm f4 Takumar vs. 17mm f4 Noritar |
 |
|
guardian wrote:
Both are good lenses, I realize. Searched the internet for opinions comparing the two lenses. Goose-egg.
So came here to tap the source of all MF lens knowledge. 
Nota bene:
I'm already aware both of these lenses are of high quality. It's the A / B comparison for which I'm searching; one vs. the other . . . . . . . . comment on each individually, which is readily available, not so much.
If you own or have used both lenses: please share.
I own neither so far, and I'm trying to determine whether the Noritar would be worth the extra cost. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010
Posts: 2926
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
caspert79 wrote:
What about the Tokina 17/3.5, have you considered it? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009
Posts: 7554
Location: Hong Kong
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
calvin83 wrote:
I have a copy of Miranda 17mm f4. I don't care about it optically quality as I bought it for collection only.
A modern 17mm will be much better than these old lenses if you need good sharpness on a high MP digital camera.
_________________
https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
Posts: 10541
Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
visualopsins wrote:
Compare fisheye Takumar to rectilinear Noritar?
_________________
☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020
Posts: 516
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
eggplant wrote:
Noritar more of a collectors item, apparently impressive for the time and I've seen them go cheap at auctions occasionally.
I would look elsewhere if you're just wanting something to begin ultra-wide photography/videography with. Particularly the more modern coatings, the better.
_________________
UK |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 16544
Location: Weinheim, Germany
Expire: 2021-03-09
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
kds315* wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| Compare fisheye Takumar to rectilinear Noritar? |
_________________
Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012
Posts: 2495
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
D1N0 wrote:
The Takumar will be much wider because it is not rectilinearly corrected.
Fisheye vd Rectalinear (not these lenses)
https://www.uwphotographyguide.com/fisheye-lenses-underwater
_________________
pentaxian |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
Posts: 10541
Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
visualopsins wrote:
Like Tokina 17/3.5, Tamron SP 1:3.5 17mm 51B (with built-in filters) or 151B, are both rectilinear.
_________________
☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
Last edited by visualopsins on Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:36 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014
Posts: 1196
Location: Brazil
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Gerald wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| Compare fisheye Takumar to rectilinear Noritar? |
A case of two lenses that are beyond compare.
_________________
If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mr_tibbs2004
Joined: 23 Jul 2021
Posts: 136
Location: United States
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
mr_tibbs2004 wrote:
I have the Takumar 17mm fisheye that I use on a Sony A7ii, it's cool for vintage looking photos, but a newer fisheye will be much sharper. My Tak also smears at the edges quite a bit. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009
Posts: 1749
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Your opinion sought: 17mm f4 Takumar vs. 17mm f4 Norita |
|
|
guardian wrote:
| guardian wrote: |
So came here to tap the source of all MF lens knowledge.
|
Thank you, D1N0, for providing the assist I needed. And of course your help is doubly special because it was offered generously, without need on your part to highlight or make fun of my own shortcomings, now better understood thanks to you.
You are a good chap. And you have been instrumental in clearing up my confusion and helping me make my decision.
Much appreciated.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
Posts: 10541
Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Your opinion sought: 17mm f4 Takumar vs. 17mm f4 Norita |
|
|
visualopsins wrote:
| guardian wrote: |
| guardian wrote: |
So came here to tap the source of all MF lens knowledge.
|
Thank you, D1N0, for providing the assist I needed. And of course your help is doubly special because it was offered generously, without need on your part to highlight or make fun of my own shortcomings, now better understood thanks to you.
You are a good chap. And you have been instrumental in clearing up my confusion and helping me make my decision.
Much appreciated.
|
 Yeah, my comment question didn't go as planned. I meant no disrespect. Just seeking clarification.
_________________
☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 7785
Location: Ironbridge. UK.
Expire: 2022-01-01
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Lloydy wrote:
I had a Noritar for a while, it was OK but my Tokina was far better. And the Noritar didn't have any 'quality' about the images it produced that would have raised it from its mediocrity. Saying it was 'OK' is the highest compliment I could give it, but it did make me a very good profit when I sold it!
_________________
LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
Posts: 565
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Your opinion sought: 17mm f4 Takumar vs. 17mm f4 Norita |
|
|
PBFACTS wrote:
| guardian wrote: |
Both are good lenses, I realize. Searched the internet for opinions comparing the two lenses. Goose-egg.
So came here to tap the source of all MF lens knowledge.
Nota bene: |
Noritar was mainly sold under soligor name and has bad reputation (iq)
it was certainly an achiement when introduced but a few a years later, they were much better lenses in non oem, ie:tokina 3.5 or sigma 18mm
_________________
OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
Search
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
