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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ok, did you read my post? Dont think so..

Here an example of the 24mm DS-M... seemed to be a bad lens, because its from Yashica... OPEN THE LINKS IN A NEW BROWSER TAB ; after following the link, click in the images to enlarge to high resolution

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/tomioka_yashinon__24mm_09-03-08_80.JPG

Your definition says.. Yashica Lenses are bad...

look here.. 200mm DS-M

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/200er.JPG

Or do you mean this DS-M 1.4/50mm Crop is coming from a poor Yashica lens?

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/nahcrop-14-bl8-1250px.jpg

This one comes from a DS-M 35mm Yashica.. what a poor lens...

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/yashinon/yashinon_35mm_bl8_2.JPG

Sorry, but your conclusion, having one lens means the whole Yashica Range of lenses... is poor. As i wrote, the 135mm is average... in both Series.. ML and DS-M.. but to say Yashica lenses are bad or not so good... ?

Cheers
Henry

Last edited by hinnerker on Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:26 pm; edited 3 times in total


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
maybe i am too pernickety ....
ok.....


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote
metallaro1980 wrote:

PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK THIS PICTURES ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4203215050/sizes/o/


Metallaro, please do not address other forum members by writing in capital letters. It is considered like shouting and therefore not respectful.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
metallaro1980 wrote:

PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK THIS PICTURES ?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4203215050/sizes/o/


Metallaro, please do not address other forum members by writing in capital letters. It is considered like shouting and therefore not respectful.

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ok i understand ...


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
looking here:
http://www.zen20934.zen.co.uk/photography/MTF_Files/200mm_Region/index.htm


i would like to try the Canon EF 2/135 L.....
or the 180 macro ....
i prefer the 180 O.O


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
therefore is it practically impossible to realize a objective with ca free ?

I have mistaken, I recognize my error !


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
metallaro1980 wrote:
therefore is it practically impossible to realize a objective with ca free ?

I have mistaken, I recognize my error !


A lens completely free from CA is called "achromatic" and it's only a theoretical lens, because so far it has been impossible to produce such a lens in reality.

Achromatic concept:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromatico

A lens with a much reduced to nearly absent CA is called Apochromatic, and it is currently produced by several manufacturers.

Apochromatic concept:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocromatico

Regarding your comments, you seem to keep expecting top performance from cheap lenses. I'm sorry but this rarely happens, if ever. Yashica lenses are good lenses within their price range which is the cheap/affordable range.
They can not offer the performance of apochromatic lenses becuase they are not apochromatic, and if they were, they would not be cheap in price.

If you want to get lenses that are top quality, highly resolving and free from most optical problems, you need to spend the corresponding money.
We have already explained this concept, I gave you a list of high quality lenses, you keep insisting in wanting to get blood out of a turnip...


PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
+1 to Orio.

I have some really good Yashicas, old ones and new ones. But that's not to say they'll be fantastic on a full frame 5D mark II. It is very widely accepted that serious money has to be spent to get lenses capable of matching the sensor's quality.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Posted a reply before I noticed page two...

I 100% agree with Orio. Shrek also repeats good lesson; It's not your sportscar to blame if you use tyres designed for family cars.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote
metallaro1980 wrote:
for what i see ....
yashica lenses are not very good....
probably the 35mm and 24mm are only the 2 lenses better built of this japanese company !!!

Uh. I have the 21, 24, 28, 35, 50 (all of 1.4, 1.7, 1.9, 2), 55/2.8, 135, 200, 300, 28-80, 28-85, 35-70, 35-105, 42-75, 70-150, 70-210, 75-200, 80-200, 100-300.

So I rather disagree.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote
I am not able to find a link but there is a japanese blog, where photographer has loads of samples comparing ziess 25mm & yashica ML 24mm/2.8
Suggesting (his opinion) that he found Yashica better.
Further there are some samples from ORIO about ML 24mm.
They speak for themselves, well corrected for distortion, very resistant to flare, and very sharp too.
For the price ML 28mm isn't bad too. almost a must have.

alex wrote:

Uh. I have the 21, 24, 28, 35, 50 (all of 1.4, 1.7, 1.9, 2), 55/2.8, 135, 200, 300, 28-80, 28-85, 35-70, 35-105, 42-75, 70-150, 70-210, 75-200, 80-200, 100-300.
So I rather disagree.


Alex that's a lot of lenses Shocked
Is it possible for you to share any samples of the 21mm ? Never seen any of that lense.
Also if u have at hand share some 55/2.8 samples ( not just macros ).


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here would be a 55/2.8 sample (not "real" macro Smile)

http://forum.yashica.org/index.php/topic,5.0.html

(You can keep the fly :p)


PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
erm Ok! What do Yashica lenses have that Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus etc etc haven't got? And if Yashica lenses had some advantage why didn't other makes copy it?


PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excalibur wrote:
erm Ok! What do Yashica lenses have that Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus etc etc haven't got? And if Yashica lenses had some advantage why didn't other makes copy it?


I've seen at least one fake Yashica ML lens (and quite a few fake Zeiss lenses). How many Nikon or Canon or Olympus fakes have you seen? Smile


PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cobalt60 wrote:
Here would be a 55/2.8 sample (not "real" macro Smile)

http://forum.yashica.org/index.php/topic,5.0.html

(You can keep the fly :p)

Very Happy who can forget that fly, i have already wiped my moniter once before for it Razz


PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
erm Ok! What do Yashica lenses have that Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus etc etc haven't got? And if Yashica lenses had some advantage why didn't other makes copy it?


I've seen at least one fake Yashica ML lens (and quite a few fake Zeiss lenses). How many Nikon or Canon or Olympus fakes have you seen? Smile


Ah! That would suggest that they are scarce and expensive not necessarily better than say a Canon FD lens going for peanuts.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
just my 2c I have the 28mm and the 35mm The 35mm is superb the 28mm is pretty good. I had the 50 1.4 and sold it as I prefered the warmer tones of the contax but resolution they were on a par with each other, in a quick test wide open I would say it performed slightly better than the contax


PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know this is a old tread but i had to comment ..i have a yashinon -DX 35mm f 2.8 in M42 i believe its a later one with the non diamond pattern focus ring, and its the only lens i have had to out resolve may Canon 5Dc
My test imagers was of a church at F8 and if i keep zooming in on screen some small leaded windows with diagonal lead, the lead just stay sharp until they pixelated ...they are only 1 to 2 pixel wide!!


PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi,

this Thread is older but I want to clear things up regarding the origin of the "ML 35mm".

Tokina 35mm 2.8 (very old / I had one in 1988) = Hoya HMC 35mm = Yashica ML 35mm 2.8.

Japanese optical companies often shared lens designs between each other ( free, oem or licensed).
The Yashica ML 35mm 2.8 is a nice standard 3rd Party Design but "IT IS NOT" based on Zeiss Distagon.

Just compare the "lens designs" and you will see it.

cheers

aykman


PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aykman wrote:
Hi,

this Thread is older but I want to clear things up regarding the origin of the "ML 35mm".

Tokina 35mm 2.8 (very old / I had one in 1988) = Hoya HMC 35mm = Yashica ML 35mm 2.8.

Japanese optical companies often shared lens designs between each other ( free, oem or licensed).
The Yashica ML 35mm 2.8 is a nice standard 3rd Party Design but "IT IS NOT" based on Zeiss Distagon.

Just compare the "lens designs" and you will see it.

cheers

aykman


How can you be sure that the Yashica ML is a Tokina? I agree that the Hoya is deffo a Tokina though.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It probably is Tokina based, several Yashica ML appear to be, but the ML coatings are unique (from the Tokina RMC & Hoya HMC versions) and coatings can make a big difference to the final output.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I tested both time ago and was under impression Yashica has more contrast and edge sharpness. Both are very good lenses.
Some large photos: http://forum.mflenses.com/coffee-break-with-maya-and-yashica-ml-2-8-35mm-nex-c3-t51520.html


PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a NOS example of the 35 2.8 labeled Auto Yashinon-DX, very very sharp lens, amazing IQ in my example at least, may have something to do with the steller condition, the guy I bought it from owned it since new and had never used it due to a switch to MF from his electro right after he purchased it... Anyway, is there a difference between the optical formula of my lens and the ML version? I'd be interested to know, I also have the 50 1.4 DX and 50 1.7 from the same guy, same basic condition although those 2 saw more use.


PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jimithing616 wrote:
I have a NOS example of the 35 2.8 labeled Auto Yashinon-DX, very very sharp lens, amazing IQ in my example at least, may have something to do with the steller condition, the guy I bought it from owned it since new and had never used it due to a switch to MF from his electro right after he purchased it... Anyway, is there a difference between the optical formula of my lens and the ML version? I'd be interested to know, I also have the 50 1.4 DX and 50 1.7 from the same guy, same basic condition although those 2 saw more use.


Almost certainly a different design. I think a lot of Yashinon lenses came from Tomioka. The DX lenses were actually the budget range with the DS models being more upscale. At some point multi-coating was introduced to create the DS-M line which should be the cream of the crop, but all are good solid lenses and (the copies I've had) beautifully made.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi, i own quite a few yashica ML, must say the shorter ranges are better in my opinion, i have the 28mm, 35, 50 1.9, 50 1.4, 135,200. all ML.

my favorite is the ML 50 1.4, super sharp but a little in the cool side and a little soft wide open. then the 35 2.8 ML i love to use on crop sensor i find it very sharp also, the 135 is ok and the 200 i never use. the 50 1.9 ML is also a very good performer and i feel it doesnt lose sharpenes wide open. the 28 i have to test a bit more but seems ok.

here is a picture with the 35: http://500px.com/photo/7266293
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