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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:08 am Post subject: Wide angle lens from the 1970s - Your thoughts? |
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calvin83 wrote:
Here are some samples of a relatively budget wide angle lens from the 1970s. I would like to hear some opinions from the fellow members. How do you think about the color, bokeh or other quantity of this lens? Please forget about the sharpness: these photos are taken at relatively slow shutter speed in a cloudy day.
Photos are processed with the exact setting to my other posts in this section.
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
To my eye these images are extraordinarily good in all three departments.
Colour and sharpness are very impressive indeed.
Hard to believe it is from a budget lens that is that old.
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1437
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
Quite contrasty for a cloudy day? |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
@OH
It is relatively budget as there are more expensive lenses for the camera system it designed for.
@bernhardas
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JohnBar
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 581 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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JohnBar wrote:
I remember the 70s very well. It was a time for new invention and import of gadgets from the East; HiFi, Digital Watches, Calculators and tons of Photo/Cine equipment.
The 70s brought in much sharper and faster wide angles than before, so 2.8/28 and 2.8/35 were much improved even in the budget range.
At these sizes this lens looks fine to me, perhaps the bokeh is a little underdeveloped.
I wonder where the wedding photographer was standing? _________________ Rectilux 3FF Series single focus anamorphic attachments
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Looks good enough, which lens? _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
Oh my Gosh! The brazuca looks like a monster! (But "she" loves Neymar and Messi, and vice versa.)
The photos are excellent, but except the #5 you cannot easily see that they were taken with a wide angle lens. The bokeh of the photos # 3 and # 4 are not very smooth, but are typical of wide angle lenses.
In the '70s, the optical designers have already mastered the design of retrofocus wide angle lenses. The wide angle lenses of the '70s were much better than the previous decade. In the '70s the main effort of the lens manufacturers was in the design of zoom lenses. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
JohnBar wrote: |
I remember the 70s very well. It was a time for new invention and import of gadgets from the East; HiFi ... |
OT -- I think you mean Stereo? I remember HiFi from late 1950s... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
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Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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JohnBar
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 581 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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JohnBar wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
JohnBar wrote: |
I remember the 70s very well. It was a time for new invention and import of gadgets from the East; HiFi ... |
OT -- I think you mean Stereo? I remember HiFi from late 1950s... |
Perhaps, but on these shores it was called HiFi and the 70s brought about its mass acceptance, along with speaker wars _________________ Rectilux 3FF Series single focus anamorphic attachments
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Igor
Joined: 13 Jan 2014 Posts: 520 Location: United States and Ukraine, Europe
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Igor wrote:
absolutely gorgeous ..... well done ! |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
C'mon Calvin - it's been 24 hours and we are dying to know what lens
OH |
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tromboads
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 1782 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
It's a Rokkor |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:51 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Thanks for all the comments again. I think it will be better to judge the performance of a lens without knowing it name.
@JohnBar
This lens is over-corrected as you notes in the #4.
I make the wedding photographer disappear.
@Gerald
I should name #7 as Monster in the Altar.
These photos are taken with a NEX 5N. It will be hard to see as it become a 50s in my camera.
You are right. I think optical designers are optimize the design of budget wide angle in the 70s to reduce the manufacturing cost and improve the optical performance at the same time.
@tromboads
This is not a Rokkor.
@OH
I will let all of you know the name of the lens after I get more better samples. The only information I can give are this is a lens from the early 1970's without multi-coating. It is also a less common lens which is unlikely found in certain parts of the world. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:55 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Looks very good to my eye, is it a Komura? _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Looks very good to my eye, is it a Komura? |
I am dying to know what this lens is.
But I have never seen a Komura that sharp. (2nd thoughts - Bronica Komura???? )
I am thinking Kiron Kino maybe
OH |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Few new samples from today. I found this lens behave very differently under light condition.
Click the photo to enlarge:
@F2.8
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Looks very good to my eye, is it a Komura? |
I am dying to know what this lens is.
But I have never seen a Komura that sharp. (2nd thoughts - Bronica Komura???? )
I am thinking Kiron Kino maybe
OH |
I wouldn't underestimate a Komura, but I don't think this is one. Calvin has had a Komura 28mm for quite some time. The bokeh does not look Komura-ish to me. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Russian lens. _________________ Regards,
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:30 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Oldhand wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Looks very good to my eye, is it a Komura? |
I am dying to know what this lens is.
But I have never seen a Komura that sharp. (2nd thoughts - Bronica Komura???? )
I am thinking Kiron Kino maybe
OH |
I wouldn't underestimate a Komura, but I don't think this is one. Calvin has had a Komura 28mm for quite some time. The bokeh does not look Komura-ish to me. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Russian lens. |
I have Komura chrome ring 24mm and 35mm(I am going to sell the the 35mm). This is not a Komura lens nor it is from Russian. I can reveal the name of the lens if both of you would like to know it. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
woodrim wrote: |
Oldhand wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Looks very good to my eye, is it a Komura? |
I am dying to know what this lens is.
But I have never seen a Komura that sharp. (2nd thoughts - Bronica Komura???? )
I am thinking Kiron Kino maybe
OH |
I wouldn't underestimate a Komura, but I don't think this is one. Calvin has had a Komura 28mm for quite some time. The bokeh does not look Komura-ish to me. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Russian lens. |
I have Komura chrome ring 24mm and 35mm(I am going to sell the the 35mm). This is not a Komura lens nor it is from Russian. I can reveal the name of the lens if both of you would like to know it. |
Well I think that I would like to know it |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:35 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Well I think that I would like to know it |
Well. I think you may have already see the lens in this thread http://forum.mflenses.com/my-favourite-35s-t64571.html . _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
The Schneider ........
OH |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:03 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
The Schneider ........
OH |
Yes. It is the budget lens on Rollei SL35 system. The PC-Curtagon and the Distagon( 1.4 or 2.8 ) are more expensive than this lens. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Here is two samples on the A7(click to see the full res. photo). Some of you may have know the lens is Schneider SL-Angulon 35mm F2.8 which is an excellent performer on a crop camera. On A7, it suffers from noticeable field curve but it is still good enough for me.
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