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which pentacon 135/2.8 should i take ?
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carlo saarland




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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: which pentacon 135/2.8 should i take ? Reply with quote
yo guys,

need from ya some advice..
which one of this should i take ?

1.http://cgi.ebay.com/971-PENTACON-135-2-8-15-BLADE-IRIS-w-CAPS-M-M42_W0QQitemZ320219105425QQihZ011QQcategoryZ707QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2.http://cgi.ebay.com/797-PENTACON-135-2-8-MC-w-CAPS-BOX-MINT-NOS-M42_W0QQitemZ320219108862QQihZ011QQcategoryZ707QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i am a bit confuse.. Rolling Eyes

thanks...
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montecarlo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hello and wellcome.

I'm not an expert of these two lenses (I had the second one - the AUTO but without MC - it was a little less better that the other two 135mm lens I own: Tair-11A and Porst MC 2.8/135, so I sold it), but the first one, the preset version I think its better and WOW, looks great being in perfect condition !
The AUTO MC version you can be found more often but the first one, in that condition is harder to get.
I think would be better to hear more opinions though.
Anyway good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi, it depends upoon what you're looking for.

The first one is the older, single coated version with 15 blade preset diaphragm - it's basically a rebadged Meyer Orestor with an updated barrel design over the older zebra pattern. The second one is the more recent multi-coated version with auto 6 blade diaphragm. Neither version is extremely sharp, but the preset has better bokeh highlights and the MC has slightly better contrast.

Personally I'd choose the first one as the preset aperture is a delight to use. However if you want sharpness, in this price range (although one stop slower) the Jupiter 37A, Tair 11, CZJ MC S 3.5/135/ or Super- or SMC Takumar 3.5/135 are all better.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can't go wrong with any of them, as Peter described above that is the difference. You can see sample with both lenses in mflenses.com/gallery.
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Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
Konica:21mm f4, 28mm f3.5,35mm f2.8,50mm f1.4,57mm f1.2,85mm f1.8,100mm f2.8,135mm f3.5,135mm f3.2,200mm f3.5,4/300mm,40cm f4.5
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Neither are sharpness ?

Done with Pentacon auto 135/2.8 with scratched front coating :
http://flor27.free.fr/forums/pentacon_mc_135_2.8/IMG_0212.JPG
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Compare with other good 135mm lenses this is less sharp even your sample.
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Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
Konica:21mm f4, 28mm f3.5,35mm f2.8,50mm f1.4,57mm f1.2,85mm f1.8,100mm f2.8,135mm f3.5,135mm f3.2,200mm f3.5,4/300mm,40cm f4.5
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice to see your here Carlo!
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Leica: 4/100 Macro
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
as Peter described above that is the difference. You can see sample with both lenses in mflenses.com/gallery.


trully, now it's even getting harder for me to make a decision..
then both lenses have a bit different charackter.
I heard somewhere, this lens are famous as the bokeh monster..

as a hobby photographer i would take the first one
as a collector i would take the second one, then it's an old brand new stock.. totaly in perfect condition..
and i'm both of them .. haha

attila, if you were me, what would you do ? 1st or 2nd ?

anyway thanks guys for advices ...
i gues i still have few days to think it out ..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In this finish, pre-set lens is lot more rare I take this one and later I also buy another one (MC) that is a common lens.
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Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
Konica:21mm f4, 28mm f3.5,35mm f2.8,50mm f1.4,57mm f1.2,85mm f1.8,100mm f2.8,135mm f3.5,135mm f3.2,200mm f3.5,4/300mm,40cm f4.5
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
In this finish, pre-set lens is lot more rare I take this one and later I also buy another one (MC) that is a common lens.


Me too! Smile
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Russian - J8, J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50, I50-2, H44-2, H44M, H44M-4, Vega12b
S-M-C Tak 3.5/28, 2.0/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 3.5/135
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
In this finish, pre-set lens is lot more rare I take this one and later I also buy another one (MC) that is a common lens.


Laughing also the pre-set version ....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cool ! I wish you luck! I have 5 pcs at least from MC , but from this finish only one!
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would take the older, 15-bladed one. I have MC Auto electric Pentacon 200/4 in mint condition and while it is very decent in image quality department, it is not astonishing. I was very dissapointed to see only 6 aperture blades (I made a deal with a friend to buy it from him before I knew newer versions have common apertures).

then again...if no one bids on that 0.99$ new one, it's not a loss to grab it
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Holly S**T , i loosed the auction.. although i have bidded 100 dollar on it .... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Next ones comes from same seller if I remember as well.
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
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Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
Konica:21mm f4, 28mm f3.5,35mm f2.8,50mm f1.4,57mm f1.2,85mm f1.8,100mm f2.8,135mm f3.5,135mm f3.2,200mm f3.5,4/300mm,40cm f4.5
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