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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
We cannot help you, we can only give you more alternatives. Like the EBC Fujinon 55mm 1.8


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Which 55 mm lens ? Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:
papasito wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
papasito wrote:
I'm using 50 mm lens to walk around.

But I like more the 55 mm perspective

Which to have?

I have some in my list

SMC/ST 55/1,8

Auto Mamiya 1,8/55

Auto Rikenon 1,8/55

Auto Chinon 1,7/55

Auto Mamiya/Rikenon/chinon, etc 1,4/55

Please help me

I want a nice bokeh and very sharp lens


From your list, I would get the Auto Mamiya 1,8/55 .
I had also the 1.4 version of this lens but found the 1.8 to be better in sharpness and bokeh for my taste.
The RE Auto Topcor is a 58mm (5.8cm) f1.8 and it also is wonderful and cheaper than other Topcors.
And - has been said above - the Takumar/Super-Takumar and Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 1.8/55 are all splendid too
Tom


I like the 1,8 mamiya so much.

But I can afford only the Chrome nose version. So the coated, being an old one, should be less effective than the SMC.

Is it right?


Older single coated lenses can perform exceptionally well if you are careful where you point them, and are conscious of what the light is doing.
I had the chrome nose Mamiya and it was one of my favourite lenses.
You might also consider the Auto Chinon 1.7/55, Auto Rikenon 1.7/55 and the Auto Revuenon 1.7/55
All are excellent
Tom


Chrome nose mamiya or smc 2/55 should be the lens.

The others (perhaps tomioka lenses) seem to be in other League than mamiya's sharpness


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Which 55 mm lens ? Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
I want a nice bokeh and very sharp lens


There are many good 55s. Of the ones you listed I would choose the SMC Takumar 55 1.8. It's cheap, it's a magical performer, it has excellent build quality, and it's very small and light. It is radioactive, however.

If you'd rather have a non-radioactive version, the older Auto Takumar 55s or the early Super Takumar 55s before they started using thorium are great too.

You can't go wrong with any of the 55s people have recommended though.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
D1N0 wrote:
We cannot help you, we can only give you more alternatives. Like the EBC Fujinon 55mm 1.8


Yes. You help me in that way.

Thank for all


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Which 55 mm lens ? Reply with quote
KEO wrote:
papasito wrote:
I want a nice bokeh and very sharp lens


There are many good 55s. Of the ones you listed I would choose the SMC Takumar 55 1.8. It's cheap, it's a magical performer, it has excellent build quality, and it's very small and light. It is radioactive, however.

If you'd rather have a non-radioactive version, the older Auto Takumar 55s or the early Super Takumar 55s before they started using thorium are great too.

You can't go wrong with any of the 55s people have recommended though.


The SMC can be the best for me


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Which 55 mm lens ? Reply with quote
Focusthrow wrote:
papasito wrote:
I'm using 50 mm lens to walk around.

But I like more the 55 mm perspective

Which to have?

I have some in my list

SMC/ST 55/1,8

Auto Mamiya 1,8/55

Auto Rikenon 1,8/55

Auto Chinon 1,7/55

Auto Mamiya/Rikenon/chinon, etc 1,4/55

Please help me

I want a nice bokeh and very sharp lens



It's pretty hard to make a bad choice. However, if you can sacrifice a little speed & Marco work is important to you, the 55mm 3.5 and 2.8 Nikkors are awesome (up close and @ infinity)--so is the 55mm Komine made lens. The Komine gets to 1:1 macro unassisted & offers half stop aperture selections, but is considerably larger than the Nikkors.

The 55mm 1.8 Auto Takumar (hard to find these days) is excellent
The 55mm Nikkor 1.2 is very nice

Whatever you choose, share a few pics with it here for us. Best jt


Thank you, very much


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sciolist wrote:
What's your budget?

The 1957 standard Takumars come in a variety of 2.4 (Heliar), 2.2 (Gaussian), 2.0 (Sonnar) and 2.0 (Ultron), for your delectation.


Those were the days!


Really a Dream

The 2,4 should be my opción of the four


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DigiChromeEd wrote:
Another excellent and affordable choice is the Petri CC Auto 55mm f1.8. My copy is in M42 mount and is tack sharp from f2.8.


I find the Petri non CC 1,8/55. May be cosina lens?


PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
DigiChromeEd wrote:
Another excellent and affordable choice is the Petri CC Auto 55mm f1.8. My copy is in M42 mount and is tack sharp from f2.8.


I've got the same Petri in breechlock petri mount, i wonder if there would be any way to change the mount of this lens because finding a petri adapter is a pain...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well.

After I say thanks to everybody who have help my with opinions and options, I reduced my elección over to lenses

1_ SMC 2/55 M42, or

2_ Mamiya 1,8/55 Chrome nose

Again, opinions are welcome.

Perhaps the mamiya is sharpest and the SMC is better in CA and flare control ítems.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
Well.

After I say thanks to everybody who have help my with opinions and options, I reduced my elección over to lenses

1_ SMC 2/55 M42, or

2_ Mamiya 1,8/55 Chrome nose

Again, opinions are welcome.

Perhaps the mamiya is sharpest and the SMC is better in CA and flare control ítems.


I don't have the SMC 2/55 but here are some shots from the Mamiya.
Tom


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
Well.

After I say thanks to everybody who have help my with opinions and options, I reduced my elección over to lenses

1_ SMC 2/55 M42, or

2_ Mamiya 1,8/55 Chrome nose

Again, opinions are welcome.

Perhaps the mamiya is sharpest and the SMC is better in CA and flare control ítems.



Not very original, but I'd say have a look at their individual Flickr pages, if they both have one, and check out the rendering. Often, it doesn't come down to the small differences if you intend to use the lens, but more holistic things like an overall intangible 'look' the lens produces that speaks to you, or such things as how it feels in operation. If you can land on a lens like that without going through half a dozen others first, you will have done well.


Good hunting.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
Again, opinions are welcome.


In 55 mm focal length I have following lenses:

1. Fujinon 55/1.6: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=fujinon%2055%201.6

2. Fujinon 55/1.8: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=fujinon%2055%201.8

3. Pentax SMC Takumar 55/1.8: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=smc%20takumar%2055%201.8

Actually I can recommend all of them: Very capable lenses for little money.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
papasito wrote:
Again, opinions are welcome.


In 55 mm focal length I have following lenses:

1. Fujinon 55/1.6: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=fujinon%2055%201.6

2. Fujinon 55/1.8: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=fujinon%2055%201.8

3. Pentax SMC Takumar 55/1.8: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=smc%20takumar%2055%201.8

Actually I can recommend all of them: Very capable lenses for little money.



Great lenses. Thank you tb_a

IT's very difficult yo chose only one 55 mm lens.

The fujinons (EBC and not EBC) are very expensive here now. The SMC are more cheap with similar rendering


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I find the EBC fujinon 55 1.8 rendering very modern. Great micro contrast. But I have a problem with it's bokeh. I think it looks like plastic. I much prefer the takumar bokeh.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
I'm using 50 mm lens to walk around. But I like more the 55 mm perspective.
I want a nice bokeh and very sharp lens

I completely agree with you; i also prefer the 60mm perspective/bokeh over the 50mm (the Minolta MC 1.4/58mm and MC 1.2/58mm actually are 60mm lenses).


Lightshow wrote:
What was getting to, was it only 55mm and not 50mm, 52mm, 57mm, 58mm, 60mm, 65mm? There isn't a whole lot of difference between 50mm and 60mm.

I dare to disagree Wink
Actually small differences in focal lengths can have a bigger influence on bokeh than the change from f1.4 to f1.2:




As you can easily see, the Minolta 1.4/58mm (actually probably a 1.4/60mm or 61mm) has a much smoother bokeh than the Canon FD 1.2/55mm!

If one really wants to dissolve backgroud, a f1.7 or even f2 85mm lens is much better than any f1.2 normal lens:



papasito wrote:
First of all. Thank you very much. Really.

I had the Canon 55/1 2 SSC and was a great lens.
At this moment I did a comparition side by side with my hexanon 50/1 ,7.

With my copies of both lenses, there was no diferences in resolving power at 200% between F/2 8 and F/11.

Respect the great Topcor lens, here (Uruguay and Argentina) no one can be find.

The Topcor 1.8/58mm is one of the sharpest vintage normal lenses i know (and i have systematically compared quite a few of them).


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:



The Topcor 1.8/58mm is one of the sharpest vintage normal lenses i know (and i have systematically compared quite a few of them).



Hi stevemark. Not being familiar with Topcor's, I had a look around on the internet. I found an Auto, F.Auto and RE.Auto, all 58/1.8. Does your statement stand for all iterations, or one in particular?


Thanks in advance for letting me pick your brain.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sciolist wrote:
stevemark wrote:



The Topcor 1.8/58mm is one of the sharpest vintage normal lenses i know (and i have systematically compared quite a few of them).



Hi stevemark. Not being familiar with Topcor's, I had a look around on the internet. I found an Auto, F.Auto and RE.Auto, all 58/1.8. Does your statement stand for all iterations, or one in particular?


Thanks in advance for letting me pick your brain.


I was talking about the last version of the RE Topcor 1.8/58mm. Sorry for not having been precise!

I'm not a Topcon specialist (there are some here, though!!). We had this discussion before, and there are several computations even of RE Topcor 1.8/55mm. It seems only the last one is really good!! Here in Switzerland i'v only seen this last computation, and i have teste three samples: All of them were behaving identically, and were very good (for a vintage lens).

Stephan


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
Sciolist wrote:
stevemark wrote:



The Topcor 1.8/58mm is one of the sharpest vintage normal lenses i know (and i have systematically compared quite a few of them).



Hi stevemark. Not being familiar with Topcor's, I had a look around on the internet. I found an Auto, F.Auto and RE.Auto, all 58/1.8. Does your statement stand for all iterations, or one in particular?


Thanks in advance for letting me pick your brain.


I was talking about the last version of the RE Topcor 1.8/58mm. Sorry for not having been precise!

I'm not a Topcon specialist (there are some here, though!!). We had this discussion before, and there are several computations even of RE Topcor 1.8/55mm. It seems only the last one is really good!! Here in Switzerland i'v only seen this last computation, and i have teste three samples: All of them were behaving identically, and were very good (for a vintage lens).

Stephan


May be something here

http://www.topgabacho.jp/Topconclub/index.htm.

I don't know


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:

Thanks in advance for letting me pick your brain.


I was talking about the last version of the RE Topcor 1.8/58mm. Sorry for not having been precise!

I'm not a Topcon specialist (there are some here, though!!). We had this discussion before, and there are several computations even of RE Topcor 1.8/55mm. It seems only the last one is really good!! Here in Switzerland i'v only seen this last computation, and i have teste three samples: All of them were behaving identically, and were very good (for a vintage lens).

Stephan[/quote]


Thanks Stephan. Much appreciated.


Ian


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:

May be something here

http://www.topgabacho.jp/Topconclub/index.htm.

I don't know



Thanks.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
D1N0 wrote:
I find the EBC fujinon 55 1.8 rendering very modern. Great micro contrast. But I have a problem with it's bokeh. I think it looks like plastic. I much prefer the takumar bokeh.


Obviously the lens design of the Fujinon is Planar based and the Takumar is Ultron based. However, the out of focus rendering isn't too much different from what I've just checked.
Anyway, both lenses are excellent in terms of optical quality. Bokeh is in any case a matter of taste.

BTW, the last version of the Topcor 58mm/F1.8 is excellent as well:



PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
D1N0 wrote:
I find the EBC fujinon 55 1.8 rendering very modern. Great micro contrast. But I have a problem with it's bokeh. I think it looks like plastic. I much prefer the takumar bokeh.


Obviously the lens design of the Fujinon is Planar based and the Takumar is Ultron based. However, the out of focus rendering isn't too much different from what I've just checked.
Anyway, both lenses are excellent in terms of optical quality. Bokeh is in any case a matter of taste.

BTW, the last version of the Topcor 58mm/F1.8 is excellent as well:


References, please. I think you need to learn the meaning and proper usage of the word obviously, given the numerous times you've misused the word here in the forum.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well.

I must say:

Finally I bought the mamiya Chrome nose 1,8/55

Will arribe the next friday.

Will see and comment with images.

Thanks guys

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Like 1 Congrats
Look forward to your photos.
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