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LucisPictor


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 7755 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: What are your five favourite places? |
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I think we all have travelled to different locations.
If you had to choose the five most impressive places where you have been and which stick in your mind most persistently, what would this list look like?
I'll start this round:
1. London
2. Scotland, the Highlands
3. New York City
4. Rome
5. Seattle (Most people understand the first 4, but not this one. Well it's about personal impressions, right?)
And Vienna, Oslo, Kopenhaven, Budapest and Washington D.C. come pretty close!
Why no German place? I don't know, maybe I'm too close. The greatest of the big German cities is Hamburg, for sure. _________________ There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don’t.
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Cams in use: EOS 40D, EOS 350D, EOS 50e, EOS 500, Spotmatic SPII, EXA I & 1c, Zenit EM; Oly 35RC,Minolta Hi-Matic E & F, Ricoh 500RF, Yashica Electro 35 GS, FED-3b and some others...
Lenses in use: Asahi Pentax: 2.8/28;3.5/35;1.4/50;1.7/50;2.8/105;3.5/135;28-80 | Canon (AF):1.8/50;17-85;75-300 | Former GDR: CZJ Flek 4/20; Pentacon 3.5/30; Pentaflex 1.8/50; CZJ 2.8/50; CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200 | Fujinon: 43-75 | Hanimex: 3.5/23; 4/100;80-200 | Hoya: 25-42;80-205 | Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35 | Mamiya: 1.8/55 | Minolta: 1.7/50 | Nikkor: 2.8/24;2/35;2/50;1.2/55;1.8/85;3.5/135 | West German: Ludwig 2.9/50; Meyer 2.8/100; Will 4.5/105; Schneider 3.5/135;Enna 3.5/135; Zeiss 4/135;Isco 4/135; Enna 4.5/240 | Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135 | Rikenon: 1.7/50;35-70 | Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50 | Russian: Peleng3.5/8; Zenitar2.8/16; MIR2.8/37; Volna2.8/50; Industar2.8/50; Industar3.5/50; Industar3.5/5cm; Helios2/50; Helios2/58; MIR38 3.5/65; Volna2.8/80; Jupiter2/85; Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/135; Jupiter3.5/135; Jupiter4/135; Telear3.5/200; Jupiter4/200; Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53 | Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF) | Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220 | Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;60-300;70-210 | Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF) | Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28 | Yashica: 2/5cm | Other Japanese: Cosina3.8/20; Albinar2.8/28; Porst1.8/35; Beroflex 8/500; Spiratone28-200; Maginon70-210
Green are the lenses I shoot the most.
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LeFanch


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 78 Location: Biganos, France
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well, for me it would be :
1. London.
2. Rome.
3. Berlin (my wife lived there a bit as a student)
4. Oslo.
5. Paris
London, Oslo and Paris I have already visited a bit, but alone and without a camera...
Soon, I hope!
François _________________ Pentax K10D+ grip.
M42 (Russian) : Peleng 8/3.5, Zenitar 16/2.8, Industar-2 50/3.5, Helios-44M6, Jupiter 9 + 37A, Rubinar 500/8.
M42 (German) : Flek 20/4 + 35/2.4, Pentacon 29/2.8 + 50/1.8 + 200/4 + 300/4 + 500/5.6
M42 (Japanese) : Chinon 28/2.8, Sears 55/1.4, Super-Takumar 135/2.5
Tamron AD2: SP 17/3.5, 24/2.5, 28/2.5, SP 90/2.5, 135/2.5, SP 300/5.6, 80-210/3.8-4
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patrickh

Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 3565 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Of the places I have lived or visited:
1. Rome
2. London
3. Vancouver, BC
4. New York
5. Bangkok
5. Sydney, Australia _________________ DSLR: Nikon D70 Nikon D200 Canon 40D
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, Nikkor 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 3004.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Kiron 28/2 Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Flektogon 35/2.4, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Arsat 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro,Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Jupiter 135/4, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8, 35/2.8
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8 |
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lahnet


Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 638 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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My favourite place is always the next place.
Places I have been:
Italy : Palinuro
France : Paris
France : Bretagne
Italy : Parco Nazionale del Gran Paradiso _________________ Henrik
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Orio

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12528 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's very difficult to reply, I have not traveled much, only to Europe, and usually when I go some place it's because I am already interested in the place, so I usually like it wherever I go.
Instead of making a ranking I'll say a couple words on each city I have visited, but keep in mind, I am the kind that often prefers small cities and even villages to big cities:
Paris: for me it's the city of the arts, and every corner of it speaks to me of some beautiful art memory. It's a magical place, I have no other words for it's magic, I can't wait to get back.
Roma: Roma is breathtaking, so much art from all ages (from ancient to Renaissance and Baroque), and a beautiful sunlight. And some of the best food you can find anywhere on earth. Negative side: too much traffic (in Paris they managed better to keep big traffic away from the historical centre).
London: is a very young city, probably too young for an old man like me. It has beautiful monuments and corners also, but I have to say I prefer the England countryside to London Town. Going around through the green countryside and the small villages is the best of England for me.
Berlin: the Unter der Linden is spectacular, but the old places are really few as the bombs really zeroed the old city unfortunately. There are of course great new buildings but I am not a fan of contemporary architecture so I have to say in general I've been let down by Berlin. A big exception being the huge Botanical Garden, an incredible place.
Budapest: the reason why I don't like much Berlin is the reason why I loved much Budapest. You can really still see the old city there. Lots of fantastic buildings and monuments. Breathtaking views. In some parts of the city there are some very old buildings in ruins, and I loved also to see them, I know most people don't, but I found them fascinating, because they talk to me of the past and of the identity of the Hungarian nation, unfortunately I fear they will be replaced by anonymous commercial places, that look identical everywhere in the world.
Stavanger: beautiful little wooden houses city in a breathtaking natural scenery. I miss it very much
Oslo: I loved the northern light in there (I was there in the winter), in some places it really looks like a little Paris of the North. Beautiful museums, and amazing the Vigeland park
Venezia: well, I don't know what to say that has not been already said. Speaking photography-wise, the best portrait photography set in the whole world, I can't imagine a bad portrait picture being taken in Venice.
Firenze: lovely miniature city like I like to call it, fantastic museums, and the Garden of Boboli is worth a visit alone
Napoli: worst city I have ever been to, sorry Neapolitans that I have to say this, but it's chaotic, unbelievably dirty, and very, very dangerous. Every day I woke up when I was there, the local newspaper reported of one person killed in the streets. And the bay is for most part invisible due to an industrial harbour (that is also very dangerous place to go). Will never go there again
Milano: basically it's a crappy industrial business city, but it has incredible gems here and there, like the Dome of course, and other churches and museums. But they are not together, they are sparse here and there and surrounded by horrible smoggy chaotic traffic.
OK I only talked about the big cities, then there would be the medium-sized cities and small cities that I visited, but it would take forever so here I stop. _________________ _
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patrickh

Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 3565 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio
thanks for the memories. I had forgotten how much I disliked Napoli - dont often think of the place. Did you ever get to Stockholm? Beautiful, manageable city. and for light - the western islands of Denmark.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D70 Nikon D200 Canon 40D
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, Nikkor 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 3004.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Kiron 28/2 Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Flektogon 35/2.4, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Arsat 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro,Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Jupiter 135/4, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8, 35/2.8
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8 |
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 16006 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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1) Canary Islands (Gomera,Gran Canaria,Teneriffe) I visited these this is my order between them.
2) Black Forest in Germany and all South in Germany
3) Fort Lauderdale Florida USA
4) Salso Maggore Terme (Orio's city) magnificent city.
5) Budapest _________________
Olympus E-1,Bessa L,Bessa RF,Olympus OM2n,Nikon FA,Yashica Eletro 35 GN,
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon: 3.5/20mm,2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,1.2/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/105mm,2.5/105mm,4/200mm macro,4.5/300mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,1.4/50mm,3.5/55mm macro,2.8/135mm,2/90mm macro,35-70mm,60-250mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro Elmar,2.8/90 Elmarit last version
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Orio

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12528 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| patrickh wrote: | Did you ever get to Stockholm? Beautiful, manageable city. and for light - the western islands of Denmark.
patrickh |
NO, that is a major regret of mine. I planned to go there while I was in Oslo, but for several reason I could not.
Through Denmark and Holland I have only been through airports, would like to visit both one day.
Also I would like to visit Helsinky and the Baltic Republics.
And.... and... _________________ _
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LucisPictor


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 7755 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Helsinki and Stockholm are beautiful cites. You should go there.
In 1990 after my school exams (Abitur) I travelled through the northern countries. I visited Kopenhaven, Stockholm, Oslo, Helsinki and several smaller towns - that was really nice! _________________ There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don’t.
"Schnäppchenjäger" | "KAPCTEH" | "Karusutenu" | "Carsten" | T-shirt?
Cams in use: EOS 40D, EOS 350D, EOS 50e, EOS 500, Spotmatic SPII, EXA I & 1c, Zenit EM; Oly 35RC,Minolta Hi-Matic E & F, Ricoh 500RF, Yashica Electro 35 GS, FED-3b and some others...
Lenses in use: Asahi Pentax: 2.8/28;3.5/35;1.4/50;1.7/50;2.8/105;3.5/135;28-80 | Canon (AF):1.8/50;17-85;75-300 | Former GDR: CZJ Flek 4/20; Pentacon 3.5/30; Pentaflex 1.8/50; CZJ 2.8/50; CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200 | Fujinon: 43-75 | Hanimex: 3.5/23; 4/100;80-200 | Hoya: 25-42;80-205 | Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35 | Mamiya: 1.8/55 | Minolta: 1.7/50 | Nikkor: 2.8/24;2/35;2/50;1.2/55;1.8/85;3.5/135 | West German: Ludwig 2.9/50; Meyer 2.8/100; Will 4.5/105; Schneider 3.5/135;Enna 3.5/135; Zeiss 4/135;Isco 4/135; Enna 4.5/240 | Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135 | Rikenon: 1.7/50;35-70 | Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50 | Russian: Peleng3.5/8; Zenitar2.8/16; MIR2.8/37; Volna2.8/50; Industar2.8/50; Industar3.5/50; Industar3.5/5cm; Helios2/50; Helios2/58; MIR38 3.5/65; Volna2.8/80; Jupiter2/85; Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/135; Jupiter3.5/135; Jupiter4/135; Telear3.5/200; Jupiter4/200; Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53 | Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF) | Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220 | Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;60-300;70-210 | Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF) | Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28 | Yashica: 2/5cm | Other Japanese: Cosina3.8/20; Albinar2.8/28; Porst1.8/35; Beroflex 8/500; Spiratone28-200; Maginon70-210
Green are the lenses I shoot the most.
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Ivo

Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 62 Location: Maastricht
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Excluding the cities I've lived in (Maastricht, Amsterdam, Ghent and Vilnius) I come to the following five cities (in no particular order)
Lviv
Odesa
Kazan
St. Petersburg
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Katastrofo


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 4290 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I've never been to Europe, always wanted to go, but here's a few of mine:
1. Chiang Mai, Thailand
2. Phuket
3. Sanur Beach, Bali
4. Cairns, Australia
5. Kagoshima, Japan
Don't much care for Bangkok except the water market is fun. There are a lot of other places in SEA I like, but the limit here is 5.
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Jesito


Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 2358 Location: Sitges, (Spain)
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Hi colleagues:
Mine are:
1. Venice
2. Kyoto
3. Paris
4. New Orleans (before the Katrina)
5. Piriac (in French Bretagne)
These are places where I was able to shot wonderful pictures in the past.
I recall them because the light and the landscapes.
Best regards,
Jes. _________________ Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 18-200, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro (Adaptall)
Fixed CZJ Planar 50mm 1.7, Helios 44-2, Cosinon 28mm, CZJ Sonnar 135, Industar-61, Jupiter-9, Industar-50, CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Weltblick 135mm
DSLR Canon 350D, Pentax K10D
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Mamiya 645E, Petri 6x45, Nettar
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, Pentax SF7, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S,
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Olympus 35RC, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret LR, Welta Welti-I, Argus C4, Kodak Signette 25, Zorki-4, Bessa-R
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Minox 35 ML, Canon Prima Super 105
Compact Digital Caplio GX100, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot 520
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Orio

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12528 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito, reading your post I remembered that I forgot to mention Barcelona!!
How could I?? It's surely in my top five! At least, the Barcelona pre-olympics, the one that I know. I hope the Olympics restructuration didn't change the heart of the city. _________________ _
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Jesito


Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 2358 Location: Sitges, (Spain)
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | Jesito, reading your post I remembered that I forgot to mention Barcelona!!
How could I?? It's surely in my top five! At least, the Barcelona pre-olympics, the one that I know. I hope the Olympics restructuration didn't change the heart of the city. |
Yes, you're right. The olympics improved a lot the city, cleaning the old squares but letting untouched the core of the city. We all barcelonians thank a lot the Olympics, it was a nice push to the city improvement. New accesses, new infrastructures, a big cleanup... We would need such a push every four years...
Best regards,
Jes. _________________ Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 18-200, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro (Adaptall)
Fixed CZJ Planar 50mm 1.7, Helios 44-2, Cosinon 28mm, CZJ Sonnar 135, Industar-61, Jupiter-9, Industar-50, CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Weltblick 135mm
DSLR Canon 350D, Pentax K10D
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Mamiya 645E, Petri 6x45, Nettar
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, Pentax SF7, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S,
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Olympus 35RC, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret LR, Welta Welti-I, Argus C4, Kodak Signette 25, Zorki-4, Bessa-R
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Minox 35 ML, Canon Prima Super 105
Compact Digital Caplio GX100, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot 520
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Farside


Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 1862 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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My five favourites...
1. North of Ireland
2. West of Ireland
3. South of Ireland
4. East of Ireland
5. Scottish Highlands _________________ Dave
The Lenses of Farside
"The largest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and
prosperity is no longer socialism. It is, instead, the ambitious,
arrogant, unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism."
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