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Orio
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: What about this as a bokeh? |
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Orio wrote:
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Borges
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Re: What about this as a bokeh? |
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Borges wrote:
Writing down these words is very difficult for me because it's no FSU lens: "wonder....ful ... colours and nice ... bokeh ... " *ouch*
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Come on, Orio! You must be joking!
This is not a Japanese lens, this either is a Leitz, a Zeiss oder a Russian lens, right?
OK, it is just wonderful and it shows that there are some Japanese lenses which are not that sterile but have a character.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
Come on, Orio! You must be joking!
This is not a Japanese lens, this either is a Leitz, a Zeiss oder a Russian lens, right?
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Well, what I can say is that my Nikkor-H 85mm (year 1964) is the most German of my japanese lenses
LucisPictor wrote: |
OK, it is just wonderful and it shows that there are some Japanese lenses which are not that sterile but have a character.
Carsten |
Old Nikkors, especially the medium teles, are really Zeiss lenses (Sonnars , in this case) in disguise. Not many people seem to know that. All the medium F mount (reflex) teles that are pre-AI (the Nikkor-H 85/1.8 which as I said, is born 1964, and the even older, 1950s lenses Nikkor-P 2.5/105 and Nikkor-Q 3.5/135) are directly derived from the Nikon rangefinder lenses.
Which, in turn, were copies of the Sonnar teles for the German rangefinders.
I am a proud owner of all three _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: What about this as a bokeh? |
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Orio wrote:
Borges wrote: |
Writing down these words is very difficult for me because it's no FSU lens: "wonder....ful ... colours and nice ... bokeh ... " *ouch*
Michael |
LOL But you don't have to deny your believes, Michael.
Like I said:
German rangefinder lenses ---> Nippon Kogaku rangefinder lenses ---> Nippon Kogaku 50s and 60s pre-AI reflex lenses.
You have done nothing but praising a Sonnar _________________ Orio, Administrator
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taunusreiter
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 127
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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taunusreiter wrote:
Ho Orio,
does your lens looks a bit like one of these?
http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Nikkormaten.html
Yes, it's pretty much "German", to be precise, it's close to a 1936' Zeiss Biotar 1.5/75 as it can be! Nikon took an excellent base for their first "SLR fast portrait lens" (like they did 20 years earlier with the Sonnar-based RF 2/85) even it was somewhat "outdated" design-wise when it was new. Like your picture shows, portrait lenses are different type of animals than landscape or architecture lenses...
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
taunusreiter wrote: |
Ho Orio,
does your lens looks a bit like one of these?
http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Nikkormaten.html
Yes, it's pretty much "German", to be precise, it's close to a 1936' Zeiss Biotar 1.5/75 as it can be! Nikon took an excellent base for their first "SLR fast portrait lens" (like they did 20 years earlier with the Sonnar-based RF 2/85) even it was somewhat "outdated" design-wise when it was new. Like your picture shows, portrait lenses are different type of animals than landscape or architecture lenses...
regards, Frank |
hi Frank,
your link does not seem to work for me (?)
I went to root directory then navigated to this page:
http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Nikon_Main.html
And yes of course my old nikkors look like the lens portrayed on your NIkon F. Here's my Nikkor-H 85mm mounted on the 5D (photo taken by another fine Nikkor, the Nikkor-O 35mm/2):
By the way, very nice website you have! I will put the link in the Links section.
About the Nikkor-H 85mm, I thought it derived from a Sonnar - now you tell me it's a copy of the Biotar 75mm. - well no wonder it has a killer bokeh then!!
Thanks for the precious info! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Borges
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 646 Location: Moers, Germany
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Borges wrote:
O.k., after this explanaitions I have an excuse
BTW:
Welcome Taunusreiter. Thanks for joining us. Your website is a wonderful source of information for everyone who's addicted by classic lens. It's just a few hours ago I visited this one: http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Biotar_en.html
Michael _________________ list of lenses:
Helios 44 (many different versions), Jupiter-9 , Jupiter 21M, Jupiter 37AM, Mir-1W, Mir-1V, Mir-10A, Mir-47M, Zenitar Fisheye, Tair 11-2, Industar 50-2 and a few more ...
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
OK now the link works - don't know why it didn't earlier.
Beautiful pictures you have there.
Yes!! It's my lens indeed
Only difference is that mine does not have the -C after the -H
(Mine is Nikkor-H yours is Nikkor-H-C)
I think mine is older than yours
The person who sold me said it is the 1964 version (although I can not be sure that my copy was made that year or some years later)
My serial number looks pretty early though.
So I have a quasi-Biotar 75mm and didn't know it? Cool!!!!
But... I always loved this lens, even before knowing it's a Biotar. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Borges wrote: |
O.k., after this explanaitions I have an excuse
Michael |
And what an excuse: it's a Biotar!!!!! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Don't forget the spam protection guys, under xx post not works any link.
@Frank please send a little more post and your all link will works. _________________ -------------------------------
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taunusreiter
Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 127
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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taunusreiter wrote:
Borges wrote: |
O.k., after this explanaitions I have an excuse
BTW:
Welcome Taunusreiter. Thanks for joining us. Your website is a wonderful source of information for everyone who's addicted by classic lens. It's just a few hours ago I visited this one: http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Biotar_en.html |
Thanks for the welcome, and sorry that I missed to translate the text completely. Some of my newer pages I wrote in English first than translate back to a German version, nicer to work that way around. But best I like to write new pages than translating old ones...
BTW Orio, my Nikkor-H-C 1.8/85 - indeed, yours is older, but mine is multicoated - is stiff in focussing at certain points, a thing that I really dislike in lenses and needs a re-lub. I bought it together with the elegant Nikkormat FTN for 150 EUR as "buy it now", and probably both are a set since 1971... any idea how to dismount the lens to reach the helicoil? _________________ My flickr Gallery
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
taunusreiter wrote: |
BTW Orio, my Nikkor-H-C 1.8/85 - indeed, yours is older, but mine is multicoated - |
Ah MC is a sure advantage but eventually with lenses for me it's the opposite than with women: I prefer them older
taunusreiter wrote: |
is stiff in focussing at certain points, a thing that I really dislike in lenses and needs a re-lub. any idea how to dismount the lens to reach the helicoil? |
Mine is stiff at the aperture. A normal aging inconvenient I guess. No I have no idea how to open a lens. I spend a fortune for repairs. Wish I could take a course and do it myself. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Hi and welcome Frank (Taunusreiter)!
You are the one with that excellent website which I have visited many times and which I really enjoyed!
Fantastic information!
Nice that you are here.
Carsten
P.S.: It would be great, if you also provided your expertise to the German language forum.
P.P.S.: "Taunusreiter" ... we seem to live pretty close together. I live in Marburg. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio, that's got to be the top bokeh-banana! The 55 and 105 micro-nikkors
are pretty good at bokeh, too. Actually the best of the 2 mentioned is
the 55/3.5 micro-nikkor.
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, I found too Micro-Nikkor 55 has one of the best bokeh.
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Attila, is that the f2.8 or f3.5? I hear that the f2.8 has a problem with
oil on the blades.
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
3.5 _________________ -------------------------------
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Some folks feel the 3.5 is the better performer in both bokeh and sharpness. I agree about the bokeh, after having owned both.
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