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A G Photography
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 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:52 am Post subject: Wartime built Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 135/4 |
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At a local fair I managed to find a CZJ Triotar 135/4 that from the serial number seems produced in 1942-43. It's, of course, in exa mount (it was for the Kine Exakta) and since the m42 postwar copy I already owned is such a lovely lens I was very curious how this one would behave.
Ok, I have confirmation now that the Triotar is one of my best 3D effect lenses.
More on my blog http://foodografia.blogspot.com/2009/06/carl-zeiss-jena-triotar-1354.html
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Simply.....GREAT! 
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Could she a son contemn,
Had nature an Iscariot,
That mushroom,—it is him
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Contax AX w/ Yashica ML 24/2.8, Yashica ML 50/2,
Tamron 28-70/3.5-4 (Thank you Carsten),
Orestogon 50/1.8 (Thank you Carsten),
Tamron 70-210/3.5-4.5,
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
Revueflex 3003 w/ M42 lenses,
Takumar 55/1.8,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Zeiss Sonnar 180/2.8,
Super Tak 300/6.3,
Tamron SP 80-200/2.8 LD in C/Y mount,
Vivitar f:4.5 100-300, ,
Pentax ZX-5n with M42 adapter
Pentax 645 with various Pentax-A lenses
Bronica SQ-A with 150/3.5 and 110/4 lenses
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Gus Helios
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Location: Cali
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Oh Wow, that looks wonderful.
What a find!
If you need to pass on the m42 version... I am here for you 
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Retro
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My best lenses are the Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 and the Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 135/4.
I hold the Triotar even above the Sonnar 135/3.5.
The only problem with them is, that they are sometimes stiff in manual focusing.
I am happy to own a copy which was professionally restored.
But my other - stiff - copy is nevertheless usable.
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Lenses: Sigma 15-30/3.5-4.5 - Vivitar 28/2.5 - Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 - Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2.0 (black) - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 135/4 - Sigma 28-70/2.8 - Sigma 70-300/4.0-5.6 - Vivitar 28-210/3.5-5.6
Equipment: Lightmeter Gossen Lunasix - Tripod Linhof/Schiansky Kugelkopf-Panorama-Stativ, Modell 161 - Rightangle Viewfinder Minolta VN - B+W Greygradientfilter BWG 501 - B+W Circular-Pol-Filter 52E - Photo Bag Crumpler Ben's Pizza XL
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PaulC
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no-X
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A G Photography
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| no-X wrote: | | Really great. Is it taken at f/4, or stopped down? |
Wide open (and ISO 1000 but that's 5dmkII merit)
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Alessandro
My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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GrahamNR17
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Awesome photo, I really like that a lot. 
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35mm: Pentax SV, Spotmatic SP, ME Super, P3n, SFX, H2 (not working) :: Cosina CSM :: Zeiss Contaflex Alpha (not working) :: Praktica Super TL (x2 not working), Super TL1000 :: Zenit ET, 3M (not working) :: Fed 4 <-- FOR SALE
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Carl Zeiss Jena: MC Biometar 2.8/80mm (P6) :: Flektogon 4/50mm (P6)
Pentax: Super-Takumar 1.4/50mm :: Super-Takumar 1.8/55mm :: S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135mm (not working) :: SMC M 2/50mm :: 110 2.8/18mm :: 110 2.8/24mm :: 110 2.8/50mm
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Hoya: HMC 3.8/70-150mm
Chinon: 3.5-4.5/28-50mm P/K mount <-- FOR SALE
Cosina: 3.5-4.5/19-35mm
Industar: 50-2 3.5/50mm :: N-61 2.8/52mm
Pentacon: 2.8/135mm
Steinheil: Cassar S 2.8/50mm
Helios: 44-2 2/58mm
Tamron: 02B 2.5/28mm :: 910P 6.3/95-205mm :: 03A 3.8-4/80-210mm (not working) :: 103A 3.8-4/80-210mm
Minolta: E.Rokkor 4.5/50mm (on bellows)
Kodak: Meniscus from 127 Hawkeye (on bellows)
Other:Hanimar 4.5/200mm :: Porst Auto F 3.5/35mm :: Vivitar 4.5/105mm (enlarger)
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no-X
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I wonder why Zeiss didn't manufacture shorter triotars for SLRs, too. There is 85/4 Triotar for rangefinders, but I've never seen SLR version. It's quite strange, because there were many different lens models for other focal lengths (e.g. for 50mm: tessar 40/4.5, tessar 50/3.5, tessar 50/2.8, biotar 58/2 and later 3 panoclars instead of the biotar), but for 75-100mm, there was only expensive Biotar 75/1.5 and Biometar 80/2.8...
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poilu
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| wow! great colors and bokeh, impressive! |
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A G Photography
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| no-X wrote: | | I wonder why Zeiss didn't manufacture shorter triotars for SLRs, too. There is 85/4 Triotar for rangefinders, but I've never seen SLR version. It's quite strange, because there were many different lens models for other focal lengths (e.g. for 50mm: tessar 40/4.5, tessar 50/3.5, tessar 50/2.8, biotar 58/2 and later 3 panoclars instead of the biotar), but for 75-100mm, there was only expensive Biotar 75/1.5 and Biometar 80/2.8... |
They made Triotar 80mm to be mounted on the first Rolleicord (I own one).
I suspect is a matter of coperture, the 135 I have don't have any problem at the borders on full frame either also at full wide aperture. So I think it covers far more than 35mm., a 50 mm probably would present unsharp and aberrated corners just like for example the Meyer Trioplan. My guess is that it would have been unacceptable by Zeiss standards.
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My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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