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f8orbust
Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Blackheath, London, UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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f8orbust wrote:
Michael
Don't despair. I have just been through my archive pictures and the 28-90 seems to have the 'Takumar' look that the 28-105 doesn't. It's a Komine after all......... For comparison, in the same length (ish) Japanese Jenazoom 35-135 (which I also have...made under licence fron VEB) also scored above the Tammy in anotheer review and came second to the 28-105. I don't think so in practice.
I have been weaning off all zooms the past few years. Takumars fault.
The full pixel lens test image was fine....downsizing it for this website ruined it.
I don't trust reviews anyway. Much prefer this website
Here' s a 28-90
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Russ
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 432
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
All of the Viv Series 1 28-90's were made by Komine. It's a very good lens. My all-time favorite. Vivitar also marketed two versions of a 28-105. The non-Series 1 version was made by Kobori. The Series 1 version was made by Cosina. Both of them are adequate, but not up to the quality of the Series 1 28-90 or the Kiron 28-105.
Vivitar Series 1 28-90
Vivitar (Kobori) 28-105
Kiron 28-105 _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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ChromaticAberration
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 819 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
Wow this completely dismisses what now already sounds like a myth about the Tamron SP 35-80 being legendary. I am beggining to think that this Vivitar S1 is actually THE real deal only less popular... _________________ Body: Fujifilm X-E1
Landscapes: Samyang 12mm f/2 NCS CS
Macro: Vivitar Series 1 105mm ƒ/2.5
Portrait: Helios-44 58mm ƒ/2.0
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Rolf
Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 4123 Location: NRW/Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
Most of these images were taken with the Vivitar (first 20 or so)
http://www.foto-bochum.net/Historical-Equipment/Camera-CANON-F-1-new/8057726_dmznF#595624368_qqSnY
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
ChromaticAberration wrote: |
Wow this completely dismisses what now already sounds like a myth about the Tamron SP 35-80 being legendary. I am beggining to think that this Vivitar S1 is actually THE real deal only less popular... |
Well I have the SP 35-80 01a and 35-70mm 09a and they are also good zooms, but don't get carried away and sell off all your expensive razor sharp primes and replace with zooms ....Forums like this point to the best/better zooms out of many, for people who want to use a zoom. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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Russ
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 432
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
I had a few of my Series 1 28-90 slides, Drum scanned. And I'm amazed at the detail that lens picked up. _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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f8orbust
Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Blackheath, London, UK
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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f8orbust wrote:
Excalibur
+10
But zooms are so useful!! (And very often cheap)
To put the cat amongst the pi geons I think too many people take the adaptall website as gospel without trying other makes. I'm sure we would all like to have one zoom that could almost/actually give the same IQ as a bag of primes and the best way to find one is to discuss them here.
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I've never been a fan of all-in-one zooms. Typically either the distortion is awful or the lens is very slow. It's always just made a lot more sense to me to carry two zooms, instead: one wide angle to short tele, and one short tele to long tele. I'd rather deal with the extra weight and a bit of added inconvenience in order to have the improved photo quality.
For several years, when I wanted to carry a minimal 35mm kit, it was my Canon F-1 with a Vivitar S1 28-90 and a Tamron SP 60-300. Those two lenses would cover just about every situation I came across, and did a very good job, too.
There are various opinions to be had about the Tamron 60-300, mostly having to do with CA when using it with a DSLR. Well, I was shooting film back in those days (recently, too, far as that goes), and I can show you 100% crops of wide open shots taken at shiny stuff in broad daylight using slide film, and they'll show you very minimal CA and essentially no flare. Anyway, regarding flare, that's what the hood's for.
I never owned one, except as a dealer, but the S1 70-210, in its various versions (I prefer the first two), also makes a good partner to the S1 28-90. As many folks here will attest, the S1 70-210 is an outstanding zoom. _________________ Michael
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Russ
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 432
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
If I'm shooting with a manual focus rig, I always grab my Viv S-1 28-90. If auto-focus, I go with my Tamron SP 24-135. Those lenses can cover about 95% of my shooting needs. Love my Viv S-1 70-210 glass too.
Left to right:
Vivitar Series 1 (Kiron model), f/3.5
Vivitar Series 1 (Tokina model), f/3.5
Vivitar Series 1 (Komine model), f/2.8-4
Kiron 70-210. f/4 with Zoom-lock _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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MacTak
Joined: 15 Jun 2011 Posts: 110
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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MacTak wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
I never owned one, except as a dealer, but the S1 70-210, in its various versions (I prefer the first two), also makes a good partner to the S1 28-90. As many folks here will attest, the S1 70-210 is an outstanding zoom. |
I have what I dub the "Series 2" version of the S1 70-210; it's now 75-205mm f3.8. The optical construction is the same as the first version of the 70-210 (both Kiron made), save for a downsized front element. Anyway, it is indeed a nice performer (esp. stopped down).
Speaking of "Series 2" versions, look what I just saw on ebay:
Click here to see on Ebay
This looks just like the S1 28-90, except the specs have been downgraded slightly (28-85, f2.8-3.8 ). Interestingly though, it is made by Kiron, not Komine. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
That eBay item isn't available anymore. But I know which Kiron you're talking about, and yes it does look a lot like the 28-90. In fact, back before I knew about all the different manufacturers for Vivitar, I had assumed that Kiron built the 28-90, especially since the two lenses looked so similar.
Here's another link to one:
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ Michael
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PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 564
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
That eBay item isn't available anymore. But I know which Kiron you're talking about, and yes it does look a lot like the 28-90. In fact, back before I knew about all the different manufacturers for Vivitar, I had assumed that Kiron built the 28-90, especially since the two lenses looked so similar.
Here's another link to one:
Click here to see on Ebay |
ALL vivitar S1 28/90 + 28/105 were base on a Opcon design that was Vivitar ownership
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/RE32923.pdf
The viv S1 28/90 was built by Komine
The viv S1 28/105 was mainly built by Cosina but some where built by Kiron
The Kiron 28/85 seems to be the same that the S1 28/90
Based on the same design : the Kiron 30/80 and 28/105 _________________ OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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cheekygeek
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 183
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
MacTak wrote: |
Now I'm really itching to try out my S1 28-90mm (PK-A; I think rather less were made with the A setting, as opposed to the PK. I suspect they were made later too, as the PK-A ones have the red ring). I will say it feels very solid and well built. |
Someone will need to explain what the "red ring" means on Vivitar Series 1 lenses.
My 28-90mm is somewhere between Finland and Nebraska at the moment. I expect it between the 19th and the 26th of this month. Mine is a Komine PK/A but does not have the red ring. (interesting that the red ring is in the 1984 ad on Pg 2 of this discussion where the lens is described as "new". Serial number is Komine like mine, however.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ovim/5833640100/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ovim/5833085179/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ovim/5833084905/sizes/l/in/photostream/
I'm curious to use this with my K-x (where it will be the equiv. of a 42-135mm) but it will probably be my main film lens for my Super Program.
(This discussion has strayed substantially from the lens in the subject line, hasn't it?) _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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Russ
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 432
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
"Someone will need to explain what the "red ring" means on Vivitar Series 1 lenses.
My 28-90mm is somewhere between Finland and Nebraska at the moment. I expect it between the 19th and the 26th of this month. Mine is a Komine PK/A but does not have the red ring: "
The Red Ring means nothing. It's just a cosmetic feature that Vivitar slapped on it around the mid 80's. All of the superb Vivitar Series 1 28-90 lenses were made by Komine. It's my all-time favorite lens. _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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cheekygeek
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 183
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
Thanks Russ! "All Time Favorite Lens"??? You are making it harder and harder to wait for the mailman. _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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Russ
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
Cheeky
Yes, my all time favorite lens. Published many a snap with it. You want a resource where you can obtain a nice lens shade for it? Vivitar never made a dedicated lens shade for it.
_________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I'm pretty much in agreement with Russ. I bought my first one in Canon FD mount back in about 1984 I guess it was. It was soon my favorite walking around lens, and I've probably taken more great photos with it than with any other lens I own.
In fact, here's the shot I used to create my avatar with. Sailboat off Manhattan Beach Pier at sunset. Canon F-1, Vivitar S1 28-90mm, Kodachrome 64.
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Russ
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
Michael
Very nice image. I too, purchased my first S-1 28-90 as soon as they were introduced. It quickly became my favorite and "go to" lens. Over the decades, I've burned hundreds or thousands of Kodachrome and Velvia slides through it. I still use it today. I snapped the attached image (Ghostwind) with this lens, hand-held. I had it Drum scanned for greeting card and publication purposes. The Drum scan file is huge. When I first viewed the scan, I was amazed at how much detail this lens picked up. In the scan or large prints, you can see incredibly small and fine detail. The large prints are commonly mistaken for medium format size. If you've never Drum scanned a slide, I highly recommend it. It's a whole new world. I see things and details in the Drum scans, that I don't see when glassing (light table and 10x loupe) the slides and negs.
Just for the hell of it, I attached a second snap (African Shag) that I shot with the Vivitar Series 1, 70-210 glass (second edition-Tokina made, Vivitar design).
I sent CheekyGeek, links to where he can procure the perfect lens hood-shade for the Viv S-1 28-90 glass. _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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cheekygeek
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 183
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
Excellent shots, gentlemen. Thanks for sharing them.
I don't know how I could possibly be more excited to get this lens than I am now. For some reason that old Carly Simon song "Anticipation" is going through my mind now...
Darren _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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Russ
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
cheekygeek wrote: |
Excellent shots, gentlemen. Thanks for sharing them.
I don't know how I could possibly be more excited to get this lens than I am now. For some reason that old Carly Simon song "Anticipation" is going through my mind now...
Darren |
As I said before, the first thing you do, is check it to make sure there is no lubricant on the aperture blades. If, there is, contact me. I think that you'll be VERY pleased with this lens.
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cheekygeek
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
Package arrived today from Finland! (at least a day earlier than my earliest estimate). It is in wonderful shape, with only minimal cosmetic signs of use. Most surprised by the short focus throw (barely over 90 degrees, from infinity to closest focus). I am delighted to find this lens in the PK/A mount, which seems to be pretty scarce (the main reason I was happy to pay the reasonable economy shipping to the U.S. from Finland).
EDIT: I found this lens on Pentax Forums marketplace, but I just realized that the previous owner is a member of this forum and had it listed in this marketplace as well! Thanks Oula! _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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Russ
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
Actuate the aperture mechanism a few times. Are the apertures blades opening and closing quickly and properly? _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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matchboxx
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:08 am Post subject: |
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matchboxx wrote:
I bought my S1 28-90mm (nikon mount) brand new in the early 80's. I have just recently pulled it out of the box where it has been stored for 20+ years.
The glass and body still look perfect, and I have taken photos with it attached to my 5DmkII but the diaphram will not close on its own when you stop down the aperture ring, you have to remove the lens and push the little tab on the rear of the lens, although it will pop back open when you open the aperture ring
So is this a lens that is worth "having repaired", or is it more of a 'try to do it yourself and throw it away if it doesn't work afterwards.
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Russ
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Russ wrote:
matchboxx wrote: |
I bought my S1 28-90mm (nikon mount) brand new in the early 80's. I have just recently pulled it out of the box where it has been stored for 20+ years.
The glass and body still look perfect, and I have taken photos with it attached to my 5DmkII but the diaphram will not close on its own when you stop down the aperture ring, you have to remove the lens and push the little tab on the rear of the lens, although it will pop back open when you open the aperture ring
So is this a lens that is worth "having repaired", or is it more of a 'try to do it yourself and throw it away if it doesn't work afterwards.
regards,
--mitch |
Yes, it is worth having repaired. A very good lens. Over time, the lubricant (animal based back in those days) has broken down, and migrated onto the aperture blades or mechanism. If you have it repaired (not a major undertaking), they'll replace it with todays modern synthetic lubricants, which are much more stable and impervious to atmoshpheric contitions (heat, age, etc). How does the glass look? No lubricant gassing or hazing? _________________ 'A photograph that mirrors reality, cannot compare to one that reflects the spirit"
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matchboxx
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:48 am Post subject: |
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How does the glass look? No lubricant gassing or hazing? |
Thanks Russ, the glass looks great, lens looks as good now as it did when I used it regularly in the 80's
Guess I'll look at getting it serviced, I'm sure if I take it apart, I'll end up wth extra parts
Regards,
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