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Vivitar 200mm f/3.5
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
Thanks for the info, Boomer. Do you have any on the Komine-made AF S1 200mm f/3.5, like Russ's fugly one? That's the one I was wondering about.
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Michael

My Viv S-1 200mm f/3.5AF glass, focuses to about 6 feet minimum. I believe that my Panagor (Kiron) 200mm f3.5 needs a bit more distance. It's no slouch either. The Panagor's are usuallty very cheap, when they come around. My Panagor (Kiron) 200mm and 21mm lenses do rather well. As for the "fugly" Series 1 200mm AF lenses, the Cosina and Komine model look identical, and both deliver VERY results. Mine hold it's own with my buddies Nikon 180 f/2.8 easily. I actually don't find them to be fugly at all. And as I said, the added lens motor makes it easier to handhold. The auto-focus is quite accurate, just not as quick as today's AF lenses and bodies. I've attached snaps of my Panagor's.


Panagor 200mm f/3.5


Panagor 21mm


Kodak HIE B/W IR, with Panagor 21mm glass.

Kiron Kid


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more examples. These with a Vivitar 200mm f/3.5 T4 lens.






PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ wrote:
My Viv S-1 200mm f/3.5AF glass, focuses to about 6 feet minimum.


Yeah, so does mine. This is one reason why I was wondering if the optical formulas might be the same. Same front filter size, same minimum focusing distance, same manufacturer, but perhaps different coatings? I think this lens is multicoated (I see yellow, blue, and purple reflections), but it may not be as good as those on S1 lenses. I don't know when Vivitar first started marketing their S1 lenses, but I'll wager the age of mine predates this. I'm figuring this 200 is probably an early 70s lens.

Big Dawg, that old T4 is impressive. Love the color. Nice bokeh too.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Dawg wrote:

Shot these with mine as a trial. The original and 2 cropped photos. Hand held too.




That's a good crisp result, especially looking at the water droplets.

Russ wrote:
But easy to handhold and very sharp. I like it. Being that short and stout, it's very easy to handhold in less than idea lighting conditions. I used it to make this snap in overcast conditions.



Looks fine at that small size, but its difficult to evaluate a claim of superior quality without some 100% crops.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrickh wrote:
Frankly my fugly Viv Ser1 200/3.5 outperforms my nikkor 200/4 on most days! The nikkor is nonetheless a great performer for such issues as OOF rendition and colours.


How does your Viv 200/3.5 do against your Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED, Patrick?


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats , Russ ! I have these lenses in M42 .The 21 mm gives very saturated colors , I prefer it on general rendition , compared with Flektogon 2,8/20 and Mir-47k . Smile


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helios wrote:
Congrats , Russ ! I have these lenses in M42 .The 21 mm gives very saturated colors , I prefer it on general rendition , compared with Flektogon 2,8/20 and Mir-47k . Smile


You have those same Panagor's? You like them?

Russ


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris
The Ser 1 AF 200/3.5 Viv is extremely sharp, to confirm Russ' view. It is at least as sharp as the Nikkor 180/2.8. However, as a personal preference I love my Nikkor, the colours, OOF and saturation are to my liking. The Viv by comparison has more "brilliant" colouring, rather like the Canon compared with the Nikon. However, it would be no exaggeration to put it in the same league!


patrickh


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrickh wrote:
Chris
The Ser 1 AF 200/3.5 Viv is extremely sharp, to confirm Russ' view. It is at least as sharp as the Nikkor 180/2.8. However, as a personal preference I love my Nikkor, the colours, OOF and saturation are to my liking. The Viv by comparison has more "brilliant" colouring, rather like the Canon compared with the Nikon. However, it would be no exaggeration to put it in the same league!


Thanks for this useful comparison, Patrick.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mistook the lens models, the photos were not from vivitar but chinon 200 / 3.5 Smile


Samples moved to the Auto Chinon 200 / 3.5 topic.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it the one with the 28xxxxx serial number?


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice results from this lens.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old post, but a great lens and worth reminding ourselves just how good this lens is. I've got this in TX Mount and Olympus OM, both Komine versions, for years and I won't sell either I keep going back to them because I trust them. I know exactly what to expect, and it's all good.









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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the Panagor also shown in this thread was also made by Komine. (It came in two versions early mfd 2.5 meter 8 blades orange lettering on the distance scale and late (harder to find) MFD 1.8 meter and six blades but multi-coated (PMC) and red lettering on the distance scale.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the old Tokina version with the aperture preset and slotted blades. Really nice lens.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second Panagor version (PMC 1.8m MFD) popped up in a saved search today an will be here tomorrow (together with a 135mm also Panagor and Komine made)


PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panagor was a house brand of Kiron so I doubt any of them are Komine.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Panagor was a house brand of Kiron so I doubt any of them are Komine.


Panagor sold many Kiron lenses, but I don't think they were a house brand. For example, the Panagor 90/2.8 macro lens and the 55/2.8 lens are both known to be Komine made, as they are more or less identical to the versions sold by Vivitar.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay I found the correct answer, Panagor was a brand of the Jaca Corp.:

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Jaca_Corporation

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Jaca Corporation was a Japanese distributor of rebranded photographic gear with a business model similar to the US company, Vivitar. Their products were designed and made by other companies under contract, then sold under Jaca brand names. They are most famous for their Elicar and Panagor brand lenses, made by a variety of Japanese lens manufacturers which included Komine and Kino Precision.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panagor Had both Komine and Kino lenses in their repertoire of prime lenses. The 200mm is also found in Mamiya-Sekor livery