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huhging
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 248 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Jupiter 37-A vs. Jupiter 11 |
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huhging wrote:
which is a better lens optically?
Their focal length is same...
Is 37A upgrade version of 11? |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
As far as performance is concerned, my J37 produces "better" (sharper, more contrast, intense colours...) pictures than my J11.
Still, personally, I like the J11 pictures more. I can't even explain why. It's a very personal feeling. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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huhging
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 248 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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huhging wrote:
I'm still confused about the Jupiter 11 and Jupiter 11-A.
I remember reading J11-A is better than J11....is this true? |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
J11A better, newer lens.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/jupiter/ _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
resolution:
Jupiter 11: 34/19
Jupiter 11A: 43/29
Jupiter 37A: 45/30 _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
no-X wrote: |
resolution:
Jupiter 11: 34/19
Jupiter 11A: 43/29
Jupiter 37A: 45/30 |
Sounds about right! The Jupiter 11 shouldn't be dismissed though - it's got a nice rounded character. _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
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dakoo
Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 603
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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dakoo wrote:
Richard_D wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
resolution:
Jupiter 11: 34/19
Jupiter 11A: 43/29
Jupiter 37A: 45/30 |
Sounds about right! The Jupiter 11 shouldn't be dismissed though - it's got a nice rounded character. |
Resolution ???
I would like to know more about it ! how it is calculated & quality difference it makes on crop DSLRs...
maybe with a photo example, if possible..
Or is there any link for it ??? |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
It is resolution in lines per mm. The first value = in center, the second value = in corners.
Russian optical industry measured resolution in a bit different way than Japanese or German manufacturers, so they are not comparable mutually (you can find Japanese lenses with >hundred lines/mm, but there won't be better than good Rusian lenses).
There was a special comittee in former CCCP, which measured resolution (and other parameters) for all brands, so you can compare them directly. According to my limited experience, it's really consistent. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 537 Location: East of France
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
The best Jupiter 135 in my range is undoubtely the 37a . Followed by the 11a, 11 (old "alu") . Howvever my ltm39 j-11 copy is excellent ! |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
some soviet 135mm lenses:
Tair 11: 28/18
Jupiter 11: 34/19
Tair 11A: 44/24
Jupiter 11A: 43/29
Telezenitar M MC: 50/27 (other source: 40/30)
Jupiter 37A: 45/30
Telezenitar M APO-MC: 53/40 _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Helios wrote: |
The best Jupiter 135 in my range is undoubtely the 37a . Followed by the 11a, 11 (old "alu") . Howvever my ltm39 j-11 copy is excellent ! |
I am behind this opinion, Jupiter-37AM also available, AM is multi-coated if I know well. _________________ -------------------------------
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uusitupa
Joined: 03 Sep 2009 Posts: 42 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:49 am Post subject: Helios 135 MC |
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uusitupa wrote:
no-X wrote: |
some soviet 135mm lenses:
Tair 11: 28/18
Jupiter 11: 34/19
Tair 11A: 44/24
Jupiter 11A: 43/29
Telezenitar M MC: 50/27 (other source: 40/30)
Jupiter 37A: 45/30
Telezenitar M APO-MC: 53/40 |
Has anybody resolution information about Helios 135 (export model mainly for the British market)? |
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1389 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Helios 135 MC |
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aoleg wrote:
uusitupa wrote: |
Has anybody resolution information about Helios 135 (export model mainly for the British market)? |
Nope. It's a fake. Made in Japan by a no-name optical company specifically to exploit the fact that the Helios brand was not trademarked in the UK or elsewhere outside USSR. It was distributed by the company that had the 'right' to the mark, so it wasn't outright illegal. Nevertheless, all Japanese-made Helios and Jupiter lenses are essentially fakes that were trying to ride on the well-known yet unprotected brand names. _________________ List of lenses |
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
I have this 37A version and some shots these weeks. Lens coating looks fantastic but soft at F3.5, acceptable at F4.0, good when smaller than F5.6
@ about F5.6
100% crop
@ about F5.6
100% crop
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M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1389 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
djmike wrote: |
I have this 37A version and some shots these weeks. Lens coating looks fantastic but soft at F3.5, acceptable at F4.0, good when smaller than F5.6 |
Mine (MC version) is sharp straight from wide open (contrast is on the low side at 3.5, really good by 5.6 and smaller, but spatial resolution is always good and does not improve much when stopped down). _________________ List of lenses |
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 1296
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
All I can add is that one of my my Jupiter 37's either the A or AM is always with me when I go out to take pictures and I don't see a lot of difference between them. |
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
jupiter-37A ??? yes is a gem..because is not sharp as the Sonnar C/Y MMJ...but I don't like lenses too sharp for portraits! _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
http://andreaverdi.altervista.org/ Vivaldi lives in my lenses.... |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 524 Location: WA, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
Without shooting resolution charts, it's hard to say on normal shots which is sharper. I'm not discarding those resolutions scores - I just can't easily see a difference if using the lenses at f/4 or f/5.6. I will need to use them a lot more to see differences in rendering.
I actually wrote a review/overview of the Russian 135mm a few days ago - there are samples from all three lenses.
My Jupiter 11A came with two copies of a certificate listing its resolution as:
central: 48.5 lines per mm
peripheral: 29.1 lines per mm
Note that these values (and the serial number) were filled in by hand, not printed, so it looks as each lens was tested individually before leaving the factory and had its resolution measured and recorded in its certificate. Leica for the masses, eh? _________________ http://www.ipernity.com/home/2419272
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pniaouris
Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 36 Location: Athens
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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pniaouris wrote:
I had the J11 135/4 ( RF version for Zorkies ) , 37 A , 37 A MC , Sonnar 135 / 3,5 and a couple of Tairs . On my Pentax K10d , the
37 A MC is as good as the CZJ Sonnar it copies . Slightly better than the single coated version and the Tairs . All these lenses outperform the DA* 50-135 up to f:8 . From then on I cannot see any difference in resolution terms .
The 135/4 is another kind of lens , a bit soft wide open , with pleasant bokeh , a delight for femminile portraits or flowers with an atmosphere . |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
For what it's worth, I reccommend the Tair-11 for about twice the price. Here are some from my J-11:
_________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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qwerty97
Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Belarus
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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qwerty97 wrote:
huhging wrote: |
I'm still confused about the Jupiter 11 and Jupiter 11-A.
I remember reading J11-A is better than J11....is this true? |
That is not true. The only differance is that J11-A has an interchangeable mount adapter (but I have seen no one except m42) as J11 has fixed mount (m42 or m39 or bayonet (rangefinders or old SLRs or Kiev bayonet)).
That is described here: http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248189157431.html (russian). _________________ MF lenses:Helios-44-2, Helios-44M-4, MC Helios 44-3, MC Helios 77M-4, Jupiter-9, Jupiter-11A, MC Industar 61L/Z
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qwerty97
Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Belarus
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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qwerty97 wrote:
And for me J11A is sharp enough http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/direadh/view/497991?page=0
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/direadh/view/497983?page=0 _________________ MF lenses:Helios-44-2, Helios-44M-4, MC Helios 44-3, MC Helios 77M-4, Jupiter-9, Jupiter-11A, MC Industar 61L/Z |
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
I must admit I prefer my J11A to my Tak as it produces wonderful colours:
_________________ Sony A7
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
qwerty97 wrote: |
.... J11-A has an interchargeable mount adapter (but I have seen no one except m42) ... |
There's an M39 version on sale now ...
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ John |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I sold my J37A within a day of owning it. Nothing really special about it so it had to go. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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