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16:9
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16:9 wrote:
I read your post carefully. I was hoping it would ask the right questions, or frame the discussion in a way that leads us to answers. But talking about 'most character' may generate the greatest diversity of opinion. And as for 'soul-warming' . . . !
How about we try to find the metrics first? Starting with:
1. highlight rendition
2. focus transition
3. optical vignetting
4. fore/aft focal plane even-ness (someone please find a better way of saying that . . .)
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jamaeolus wrote:
KONICA 57MM 1.2
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cyberjunkie
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cyberjunkie wrote:
I like bubble bokeh (not always), I kind of like swirly bokeh (only at times, if it's not excessive and doesn't make me nauseous), but most of all I like blurred, creamy, painterly backgrounds (and in some cases also foregrounds). I almost always keep the subject out of the centre on purpose, leaving an important part of the picture for OOF areas.
Apart from all the usual suspects, like Meyer's Trioplan 50mm, Trioplan 100mm, Trioplan N 100mm, Primoplan 58mm, plus all the non-Meyer ones, like the Helios 40 "chrome", Leitz Summicron 90mm, CZJ Pancolar 80mm, etc etc, I'd like to shine some light on a few unsung heroes of the bokeh kingdom:
Revuenon 1.2/55mm (or any other of its Tomioka made twins)
Sigma Macro MF 5.6/180mm
any version of Sankor 2.5/105mm
Sankyo Kohki Komura 2.5/105 (Ernostar)
Jupiter 1.5/50mm M39
Auto Takumar 1.8/85mm (different from all the other f/1.8 and f/1.9 85mm's by Pentax, and in my opinion better for this specific purpose)
I'm trying to find out if I like the Fujinon 2.2/55mm and the "chrome nose" Sankyo Koki Komura 2.8/105mm (very likely a Sonnar from the reflections), but I haven't shot enough pictures to understand if they really belong to the Olympus of the bokeh optics.
Speaking of longer focals, I have been quite happy with the bokeh of the various TeleMegor variants, again a Meyer lens 
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kymarto
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:11 am Post subject: |
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kymarto wrote:
for me first choice is my Dallmeyer Super Six. Any focal length is good. I happen to have the big one, the 8 inch f2.
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The Kinon Superior 1 5cm f1.6 bokeh is very strong but interesting
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CZJ Pancolar 55mm f1.4 also great
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Surprise contender is the Elgeet Cine Navitar 2 inch f1.5
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There are a couple more, like the Canon 50mm 1.2 LTM and the Leotax Leonon 5cm f2. I can post pics, but this is already too long
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kathala
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kathala wrote:
Thank you everybody for your responses so far!!
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talking about 'most character' may generate the greatest diversity of opinion. And as for 'soul-warming' . . . !
How about we try to find the metrics first? Starting with:
1. highlight rendition
2. focus transition
3. optical vignetting
4. fore/aft focal plane even-ness (someone please find a better way of saying that . . .) |
I was not expecting to find "the one" "perfect" lens, quite to the contrary - that would be like asking "which is the best photograph ever taken". But rather than an endless list of just "nice" lenses, I wanted to see what everybody found really touched them. Your metrics are correct technically, but are they practicable? Or put differently - which lens best fulfills ALL those metrics for you?
me too, I'd love to read that 35/1.5 review - I had thought about bidding on one several times, but talked myself out of it
Please, if you haven't done so yet, feel encouraged to post your ideas!
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jamaeolus
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jamaeolus wrote:
 nice series kymarto
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cyberjunkie
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 2:56 am Post subject: |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
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for me first choice is my Dallmeyer Super Six. Any focal length is good. I happen to have the big one, the 8 inch f2.
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Expensive lens, but I like very much the bokeh.
I have an evolution of the SuperSix made for medical cameras. It's the Dallmeyer Rareac 1.9/51mm (my example is actually marked Shackman, but it's the same lens), sitting on a Compur Press No.1.
I have seen pictures online, shot with the same lens, which show a beautiful, though a little extreme bokeh. Finally I found a nice Schneider No.1 barrel and a focusing mount, to make its use easier... and when all was ready to transplant the two optical cells I couldn't find the lens anymore!
Last time I saw it was about six months ago. I hope to find it soon, I'm kind of impatient to try it. I've read it renders not so differently from the SuperSix, and having seen your pics I'm eager to give it a try on digital as soon as possible.
I'm curious to know if any forum member owns one of the Rareacs f/1.9, and what's the opinion about those lenses.
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lightdreamer
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lightdreamer wrote:
The real No 1 is a MINOLTA or Sony 135mm STF.
In the classic manual focus lenses I love the Minolta MC Rokkor 1.2 58mm at f2.8. |
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cyberjunkie
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 10:36 pm Post subject: A few bokeh examples |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
Here are a few pictures which show the peculiar bokeh of some of the lenses I mentioned in my previous post, plus a couple others I didn't mention.
I'm sure I forgot/overlooked some other lenses, and for some others I couldn't find a decent bokeh example.
Tamron SP 1:2.8 70-150mm (51A) Soft Focus Zoom
 At Polar Club, Seattle 1
Revuenon (Tomioka) MC 1:1.2 55mm PK
 Chiang Mai night market 5
 Chiang Mai night market 3
Helios 44K-4 1:2 58mm
Meyer Trioplan N 1:2.8 100mm
Pentax Auto Takumar 1:1,8 85mm
Fujinon 1:2.2 55mm M42
Leitz Canada Elmarit M f2.8 135mm
 Flowers with Elmarit 2
Soligor (Tokina) C/D "red P" 1:2 135mm
 Thai wild flowers 1
Sigma Apo Macro UC 1:5.6 180mm MF
 blooming embraced
SMC Pentax 1:1.2 50mm
ZOMZ Jupiter-3 1:1.5 F=50mm M39 on m4/3
KMZ Jupiter-8 1:2 F=5cm on m4/3
Konica Hexanon AR 40mm F1.8 on m4/3
Spiratone (Sankor) Tc 1:2.5 105mm
 Chinese New Year costume beauty contest
Helios 44-2 1:2 58mm
Auto Chinon 1:1.4 f=55mm M42
I added at the end a couple of flower shots made with the Auto Chinon 1.4/55mm. The photos are not great, and shot on an old CCD sensor, but I hope they give some clues about the bokeh.
The other lens I'm trying is the Sankyo Koki Komura 1:2.8 f=105mm. I still don't have good examples of its bokeh. I'm very curious about that lens cause I'm almost sure it's a Sonnar (two very faint reflections, which suggests the presence of a cemented triplet, and a rather short barrel, with some heavy glass in it), so if I'm not mistaken it would be the only Sonnar lens I own in the 100/105mm focal. Given it's vintage it could be a knock-off of the famous Nikkor 105mm for Contax mount rangefinders. I hope to shoot soon some good bokeh examples...
I like smooth, pastel-like bokeh for the background of portrait pictures.
Here I posted only two portraits, one shot with the Sankor 2.5/105mm and the other with the Tamron SP Soft Focus. The latter shows the rendering of that lens with the SF ring set at 0 or 1, with minimal soft focus effect.
I could not find any bokeh example of the Leitz Summicron 2/90mm, which trumps, bokeh wise, the Elmarit 2.8/135mm.
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Phalbert
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
Kymarto, wooooow! After seing your pics I'm giving up. Selling all my stuff and starting reading novels instead. 🤷♀️
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Yashica 5cm/2 500/8RF
Takumar 50/1,4 - 8 50/1,4 - 7 50/1,4SMC 300/4
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