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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:21 pm Post subject: Cooke Triplet thread - Normal Lenses from 40mm to 50mm |
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calvin83 wrote:
In 1893, 123 years ago, Harold Dennis Taylor designed and patented(British patent 22,607) a lens that became a legend: Cooke triplet. This design had become one of the most important landmarks in the history of photography lenses.
After more than a century, some of the triplets are still being produced for the lovers of manual focus lenses. Although one the 50mm triplet is not very affordable, most old triplets can be found for very little money. It might be a good time to open a thread for members of this community sharing their works with their triplet(s) with focal length from 40mm to 50mm.
Here is a list of some common triplets with FL from 40mm to 50mm:
Angenieux: Z
Argus: Cintar
Isco: Isoctar
Ludwig: Victar, Meritar
Meyer(Hugo Meyer): Trioplan, Domiplan
Schneider: Radionar
Steinheil: Cassar, Cassarit, Cassaron
Voigtlander: Lanthar
and here is a list of common triplet enlargers:
Rodenstock: Trinar, Rogonar
Schneider: Componar, Componar-C
and the generic 50mm F3.5 Japanese enlarger with various names: E-Lucky, EL-Omegar, Marumi, Soligor and Voss etc.
Please post yours if you have samples taken with your own lens. Any comments or feedback is welcomed!
Scroll down for information of the other triplets.
P.S. Abstract of the British patent 22,607
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calvin83
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Steinheil Cassarit 50mm F2.8 @ NEX-5N
A bit soft wide open but sharpen up at F4. A pretty decent lens with balanced color.
F2.8
F4
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RubberFlubber
Joined: 09 Oct 2015 Posts: 148 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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RubberFlubber wrote:
I love my cine Cooke Kinic (I'm pretty sure I read that it's another Cooke Triplet of a sort, but modified), but that's a C-mount lens and it's got a focal length of 25mm. Regardless, I hope to pick up a regular Cooke Triplet some day as I love how they render images. I like your samples! _________________ Digital camera I use: Pentax K-3, Fujifilm X-E1
Film cameras I own (and use when I can afford film, but still haven't developed any rolls): Braun Nurnberg Paxette Panto (Electromatic), Konica Autoreflex T, Canon AE-1 Program, Pentax Super Program, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s, Mamiya/Sekor 500tl, and Agfa Isolette L |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
RubberFlubber wrote: |
I love my cine Cooke Kinic (I'm pretty sure I read that it's another Cooke Triplet of a sort, but modified), but that's a C-mount lens and it's got a focal length of 25mm. Regardless, I hope to pick up a regular Cooke Triplet some day as I love how they render images. I like your samples! |
Thanks!
Not all Kinic are Triplets. The Telekinic 2 Inch F3.5 should be a triplet but I am not sure about the others. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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RubberFlubber
Joined: 09 Oct 2015 Posts: 148 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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RubberFlubber wrote:
You're welcome!
And that's neat to know, and sorry to slightly derail the thread but do you know what other formulas the Kinics could be? _________________ Digital camera I use: Pentax K-3, Fujifilm X-E1
Film cameras I own (and use when I can afford film, but still haven't developed any rolls): Braun Nurnberg Paxette Panto (Electromatic), Konica Autoreflex T, Canon AE-1 Program, Pentax Super Program, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s, Mamiya/Sekor 500tl, and Agfa Isolette L |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
RubberFlubber wrote: |
You're welcome!
And that's neat to know, and sorry to slightly derail the thread but do you know what other formulas the Kinics could be? |
Most are with four or five elements. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Gerald
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
I've just rescued the list and optical diagrams of triplets and derivatives that were lost when the forum had a technical problem a few years ago. Of course, the triplet lenses are those corresponding to the diagram T1.
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1381407.html#1381407 _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
There were of course hundreds of triplets used on folding and fixed lens cameras. Here are the ones I have:
Agfa Agnar
Agfa Apotar / Color-Apotar
Agilux Anastigmat
Balda-Werk Bunde Baldanar
C. Friedrich Munchen - Corygon Anastigmat
Contessa Nettel Conastigmat
Dacora Subita Anastigmat
Ensign Ensar
Feinmess Dresden Bonotar
Franka Frankar Anastigmat
Ihagee Anastigmat
Kershaw Otar Anastigmat
Kodak Anaston
Kodak Ektanar
LOMO T-22
LOMO T-43
Meyer Gorlitz Primotar
Rodenstock Reomar
Rodenstock Trinar
Roeschlein-Kreuznach Pointer
Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar
Schneider-Kreuznach Reomar
Staeble-Werk Kata
Steiner-Bayreuth Steinar
Voigtlander Lanthar (not to be confused with Apo-Lanthar which isn’t a triplet AFAIK)
Voigtlander Voigtar
Zeiss-Ikon Novar Anastigmat
Mark
EDIT: Oh, I think you are only interested in ones in the FL range of 40-50mm. Most of these are longer of course _________________ Olympus OM-D E-M1 for everything |
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
OK, I'll have another go at answering the question. Here is the list of triplets I have with FLs less than or equal to 50mm.
Steinheil Munchen Cassarit (35mm f2.8 )
Steinheil Munchen Cassar (36mm f3.5)
Kodak Ektanar (38mm f2.8 )
LOMO T-43 (40mm f4)
Steinheil Munchen Cassar (43mm f3.5)
Agfa Color-Apotar (45mmf 2.8 )
Agfa Apotar (45mm f3.5)
E Ludwig Meritar (45mm f2.9)
ISCO-Gottingen Color-Isconar (45mm f2.8 )
Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Trioplan (45mm f3.5)
Rodenstock Reomar (45mm f2.8 )
Roeschlein-Kreuznach Pointer (45mm f2.8 )
Schneider-Kreuznach Reomar (45mm f2.8 )
Staeble-Werk Kata (45mm f2.8 )
Steinheil Munchen Cassar (45mm f2.8 )
Balda-Werk Bunde Baldanar (50mm f3.5)
Steinheil Munchen Cassar (50mm f2.8 )
Voigtlander Lanthar (50mm f2.8 )
The 35mm Cassarit is an interesting lens as it came from a Iloca Stereo Realist camera - i picked up a lens board with the two Cassarits attached but no camera. It works well, but has a lot of spherical aberration glow at f2.8.
The two Reomars came from Kodak Retinettes. The Rodenstock is utter crap (despite being mint) but the Schneider is very nice.
Mark _________________ Olympus OM-D E-M1 for everything |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:28 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Thanks for the contribution of the lens list. Triplets are more readily available for longer focal length and medium format camera.
For normal lenses from 40mm to 50mm with aperture of F2.8, most Japanese makers will choose better corrected Tessar formula. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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WNG555
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:36 am Post subject: |
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WNG555 wrote:
Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 "1Q"
DSC04791_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04701a_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04705_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04718_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04683_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04706a_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04792_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04799_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04687_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr
DSC04695_Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 50mm f2.8 by wNG 555, on Flickr _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Good to see these nice photos from the humble Domiplan. Unlike its bigger brother Trioplan 50/2.9, it can be bought for next to nothing in Germany.
BTW, I have updated more information from the original patent document. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16553 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:38 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Yep, great DOMIPLAN shots!! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Added a list of common triplet enlargers:
Rodenstock: Trinar, Rogonar
Schneider: Componar, Componar-C
and the generic 50mm F3.5 Japanese enlarger with various names: E-Lucky, EL-Omegar, Marumi, Soligor and Voss etc. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16553 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
Added a list of common triplet enlargers:
Rodenstock: Trinar, Rogonar
Schneider: Componar, Componar-C
and the generic 50mm F3.5 Japanese enlarger with various names: E-Lucky, EL-Omegar, Marumi, Soligor and Voss etc. |
...where the latter are surprisingly good actually and very cheap! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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TrueLoveOne
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
E.Ludwig Meritar 2.9/50 wide open on Sony A7, straight JPG from camera:
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WNG555
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WNG555 wrote:
Thanks Kurt and Calvin!
Yeah, I got lucky with a very good copy...and it was so affordable! _________________ "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind."
Sony ILCE-6000, SELP1650, SEL1855, SEL55210, SEL5018. Sigma 19/30/60mm f2.8 EX DN Art.
Rokinon 8mm f3.5 Fish-Eye, 14mm f2.8 IF ED UMC. Samyang 12mm f2.8 ED AS NCS Fish-Eye.
And a bunch of Manual-Focus Lenses
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calvin83
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
TrueLoveOne wrote: |
E.Ludwig Meritar 2.9/50 wide open on Sony A7, straight JPG from camera:
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This is the another most afford triplet together with the Domiplan! _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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jrsilva
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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jrsilva wrote:
Interesting topic.
The Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 2.8/50 is also a triplet, isn't it? _________________ Jaime Silva
Olympus and Panasonic micro 4/3 cameras user.
MF lenses: Helios 44-2 f/2 | Meyer-Optik Görlitz Trioplan 50mm f/2.9 | Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 1Q 50mm f2.8 silver 12 blades |
Fujinon 55mm f/2.2
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calvin83
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
jrsilva wrote: |
Interesting topic.
The Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 2.8/50 is also a triplet, isn't it? |
A Tessar has cemented pair on the rear group while a Triplet has only single element. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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jrsilva
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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jrsilva wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
jrsilva wrote: |
Interesting topic.
The Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 2.8/50 is also a triplet, isn't it? |
A Tessar has cemented pair on the rear group while a Triplet has only single element. |
Thank's for clarifying. _________________ Jaime Silva
Olympus and Panasonic micro 4/3 cameras user.
MF lenses: Helios 44-2 f/2 | Meyer-Optik Görlitz Trioplan 50mm f/2.9 | Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 1Q 50mm f2.8 silver 12 blades |
Fujinon 55mm f/2.2
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Minolfan
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Minolfan wrote:
Additionally found on P&S camera's:
Dacora Dignar 2.8/45 (Ilford camera)
Dr. C. Schleussner Frankfurt Adoxar 3.5/45mm (Adox)
I don't kow if they are worth to take them off the simple old camera's and test them on a mirrorles digital camera. |
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calvin83
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:39 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
Additionally found on P&S camera's:
Dacora Dignar 2.8/45 (Ilford camera)
3.5/45mm (Adox)
I don't kow if they are worth to take them off the simple old camera's and test them on a mirrorles digital camera. |
It will be fun to do so if you have time, skill and patient. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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TrueLoveOne
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
take them off the simple old camera's and test them on a mirrorles digital camera. |
Great idea! I have some of these old cameras in a box as well, most are for 6x6 frames, a full frame format should be nice and sharp. _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
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calvin83
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:37 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I get my new Triplet recently. This should be one of the best in this range in terms of sharpness and build quality.
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