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cyberjunkie
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 282 Location: Chiang Mai, Bologna, Amsterdam
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:21 pm Post subject: strange Enna Tele-Ennalyt f/4,5 200mm M39x1 |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
After the craze for Soligor teles (Kino, Komine and Tokina made), i'm back to vintage german lenses.
Schacht and Steinheil are expensive, so i can't affod to buy them often, now i'm more after Isco ed Enna ones.Mainly zebra and earlier aluminium, sometimes the more recent, plasticky ones.
Recently i found two interesting Enna lenses, one is a 400mm f/4,5 (like new, with original caps and sunshade, and even original drop-in filters!).
The other one is a strange 200mm f/4,5, which has a peculiar optical layout (it appears to be like a retrofocus tele with a wide-angle converter in front), and is NOT an M42 lens as i expected: it's an M39 screw mount.
The register is not very different from an M42 lens. Could it be for Braun cameras with M39x1 screw and 44.5mm register?
I dismantled it to clean the glasses, but the back element has coating stains, which couldn't be removed (i thought it was a fungal growth), but don't seem to affect image quality.
After cleaning i fitted the lens to my Pentax K-01 camera, via a M39 to M42 adapter ring (the ones used to mount enlarger lenses on M42 bellows or tubes), and a Hama M42 to PK adapter (which is identical to the original Pentax one: the infinity/diaphragm reference stays on top, and not at 10AM or 2PM, like often happens with cheap chinese adapters).
The quality of the images is more than decent, and the infinity is about right. I tried it with a tree that is far enough to be considered about infinity, but not far enough o be really certain that the lens, with the focusing helicoid fully retracted, isn't slightly missing "true" infinity.
Anybody out there knows about this lens?
Is it for a Braun Paxette?
If the register is truly 44.5mm it should miss infinity by about 1mm.
Should i check better and see if the focusing helicoid needs to be adjusted?
The strange design of the lens makes me think that the optical engineer wanted to make room for a leaf shutter. Am i right?
BTW,
the pictures show the lens already "converted", with the M39 > M42 ring, and a plastic M42 cap
cheers
Paolo _________________ Pentax Bodies: 6x7, K2, MX, LX, Super A, Z-1, K-1, K-5 II, K-01, K10D, K200D
Other cameras: Leica CL, Leica M5, Rolleiflex, Mamiya Super 23, Horizont, and many bellows cameras from 4x5" to 8x10"
- Shooting only digital recently, FF and APS-C
- Collecting vintage large format lenses (plenty of them )
- Looking for Pentax-A* 200mm Macro and Pentax-A* 1.8/135mm, Sigma 150mm or 180mm Macro PK, Sigma 50-500 AF PK, Enna 1.5/85mm M42; selling Pentacon Six/Pentax 67/Mamiya Press/Leica M/Rolleiflex/4x5"/Manfrotto stuff
MY BELOVED PK, M42 LENSES
Photographica sets
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7548 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Yes. It should be made for Braun Paxette. Pretty rare lens. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Layout looks a lot like the Schneider 200/4.8 for Retina Reflex, and also similar lenses for other leaf shutter cameras like Kowa and Topcon.
You are lucky with the mount as the adapter is cheap in this case.
Whats the minimum focus? Thats the downside of the type, besides high bulk. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16499 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Have it in M42 mount, not impressed _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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cyberjunkie
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 282 Location: Chiang Mai, Bologna, Amsterdam
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
My first impressions brought me to the same conclusion.
An interesting lens, though...
There are other Enna lenses which are still worthy as "photographic tools", not just collector's items.
I'm sure you are perfectly aware about that....
regards
Paolo _________________ Pentax Bodies: 6x7, K2, MX, LX, Super A, Z-1, K-1, K-5 II, K-01, K10D, K200D
Other cameras: Leica CL, Leica M5, Rolleiflex, Mamiya Super 23, Horizont, and many bellows cameras from 4x5" to 8x10"
- Shooting only digital recently, FF and APS-C
- Collecting vintage large format lenses (plenty of them )
- Looking for Pentax-A* 200mm Macro and Pentax-A* 1.8/135mm, Sigma 150mm or 180mm Macro PK, Sigma 50-500 AF PK, Enna 1.5/85mm M42; selling Pentacon Six/Pentax 67/Mamiya Press/Leica M/Rolleiflex/4x5"/Manfrotto stuff
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Photographica sets
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Enormous front system for a slow lens. Definitely interesting optics. Chunky glass always attracts . _________________ ---------------------------------
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cyberjunkie
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 282 Location: Chiang Mai, Bologna, Amsterdam
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:41 am Post subject: |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
How true!!
Cheers
Paolo _________________ Pentax Bodies: 6x7, K2, MX, LX, Super A, Z-1, K-1, K-5 II, K-01, K10D, K200D
Other cameras: Leica CL, Leica M5, Rolleiflex, Mamiya Super 23, Horizont, and many bellows cameras from 4x5" to 8x10"
- Shooting only digital recently, FF and APS-C
- Collecting vintage large format lenses (plenty of them )
- Looking for Pentax-A* 200mm Macro and Pentax-A* 1.8/135mm, Sigma 150mm or 180mm Macro PK, Sigma 50-500 AF PK, Enna 1.5/85mm M42; selling Pentacon Six/Pentax 67/Mamiya Press/Leica M/Rolleiflex/4x5"/Manfrotto stuff
MY BELOVED PK, M42 LENSES
Photographica sets
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4710 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Nice looking lens, a real beauty
I think Braun Paxette focal flange distance is 44mm. I have many lenses for this system and they are quite affordable _________________ Lars | Lens collection | Manuellfokus.no |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16499 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:47 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
cyberjunkie wrote: |
My first impressions brought me to the same conclusion.
An interesting lens, though...
There are other Enna lenses which are still worthy as "photographic tools", not just collector's items.
I'm sure you are perfectly aware about that....
regards
Paolo |
the f1.5/85mm certainly is _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
When I was cleaning one of my plastic Enna lenses I found a smaller threadmount underneath the M42 mount, could that be what you've got? Enna lenses were weird like that, almost like they had their own T mount system. |
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cyberjunkie
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 282 Location: Chiang Mai, Bologna, Amsterdam
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:18 am Post subject: |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
When I was cleaning one of my plastic Enna lenses I found a smaller threadmount underneath the M42 mount, could that be what you've got? Enna lenses were weird like that, almost like they had their own T mount system. |
The 135mm f/2,8 zebra is made like that, IIRC.
BTW, i'm still waiting for a nice soul who would clean his identical lens and give me the height of the spacer ring placed behind the front glass.
I bought the 400mm together with a black, plasticky 135mm f/2,8 which looks like new old stock. Immaculate. It even has the original collapsible sunshade still wrapped in plastic.
I wanted to see if the optical project was still the same, take a measure of the spacer, and have it remade for the zebra lens.
Nope!
In the transition from one generation of lenses to the other, the optical layouts were revised. Possibly for better performance, or because the previous optical glasses were not available anymore. It could even be that they went for cheaper projects, to compete with basic Japan-made objectives.
Whatever... the front and back glasses of the newer model were bigger than those used in the zebra one, so i refrained from opening the optic (it looks unused), and decided to test it during the next days
cheers
Paolo _________________ Pentax Bodies: 6x7, K2, MX, LX, Super A, Z-1, K-1, K-5 II, K-01, K10D, K200D
Other cameras: Leica CL, Leica M5, Rolleiflex, Mamiya Super 23, Horizont, and many bellows cameras from 4x5" to 8x10"
- Shooting only digital recently, FF and APS-C
- Collecting vintage large format lenses (plenty of them )
- Looking for Pentax-A* 200mm Macro and Pentax-A* 1.8/135mm, Sigma 150mm or 180mm Macro PK, Sigma 50-500 AF PK, Enna 1.5/85mm M42; selling Pentacon Six/Pentax 67/Mamiya Press/Leica M/Rolleiflex/4x5"/Manfrotto stuff
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cyberjunkie
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 282 Location: Chiang Mai, Bologna, Amsterdam
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:39 am Post subject: |
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cyberjunkie wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
the f1.5/85mm certainly is |
That's unfair!
You're not just very serious about your interests. You have a competitive advantage!
Being german, and having been interested in this sort of stuff for a long time, is definitely a huge plus!
I lost many many years collecting vintage large format lenses that i don't use anymore, and that are becoming less and less valuable.
At the same time, lenses like a Flektogon 35mm f/2,4, a Pancolar 80mm M42, and even the Trioplans for small format, were all super affordable.
If i had concentrated on such lenses, i'd have at least 250 more optics, all usable with a DSLR, and in the process i'd have learned a lot more about them...
Dammit
I doubt i would ever own the 85mm f/1,5... but there are a couple other Enna lenses i crave for
I hope sooner or later they will land in my hands...
cheers
Paolo _________________ Pentax Bodies: 6x7, K2, MX, LX, Super A, Z-1, K-1, K-5 II, K-01, K10D, K200D
Other cameras: Leica CL, Leica M5, Rolleiflex, Mamiya Super 23, Horizont, and many bellows cameras from 4x5" to 8x10"
- Shooting only digital recently, FF and APS-C
- Collecting vintage large format lenses (plenty of them )
- Looking for Pentax-A* 200mm Macro and Pentax-A* 1.8/135mm, Sigma 150mm or 180mm Macro PK, Sigma 50-500 AF PK, Enna 1.5/85mm M42; selling Pentacon Six/Pentax 67/Mamiya Press/Leica M/Rolleiflex/4x5"/Manfrotto stuff
MY BELOVED PK, M42 LENSES
Photographica sets
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Optikus64
Joined: 20 Dec 2022 Posts: 5 Location: Deutschland
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Optikus64 wrote:
Hello,
I have one of these strange Ennalyts for Paxette-Mount M39, but disfunctional. So I look for a second
- to replace mine if in good working order or
- to combine both to get one operational.
If anyone owns one and is willig to sell it, please contact me.
Kind regards
Joerg |
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Optikus64
Joined: 20 Dec 2022 Posts: 5 Location: Deutschland
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Optikus64 wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
When I was cleaning one of my plastic Enna lenses I found a smaller threadmount underneath the M42 mount, could that be what you've got? Enna lenses were weird like that, almost like they had their own T mount system. |
If there is a thread smaller than M42, mostly M39, it may be Leica or Paxette, or an old russian lens. Last two have 44mm distance to chip/film, Leica is shorter.
So the Enna 4.5/200 with M39 is expected to be a Paxette lens.
To reach infinity with a DSLR the adapter must be fittet to the flange-distance of the paxette. In case of adapting to EF there are some 1/10 of a mm to remove from a "normal" M42-adapter and a adaption ring M39/M42.
Kind regards
Joerg |
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kypfer
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 513 Location: Jersey C.I.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 am Post subject: |
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kypfer wrote:
I had an Enna Lithagon 28mm in 'Zenit' 39mm for my Zenit 3m back in the late '60's, so Enna certainly produced lenses in that fitting.
I "upgraded" to an M42 camera, probably a Zenit E, after a few years and remember being disappointed not being able to use the lens. |
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Optikus64
Joined: 20 Dec 2022 Posts: 5 Location: Deutschland
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Optikus64 wrote:
Good morning,
there is a chance to use those old russian M39-lenses (for SLR), the flange-distance lensmount-film is the same as M42 Pentax thread mount (M42 x 1).
So you can use adapter-rings M39/M42 to be screwed on the M39 to convert it to M42. I have two or three old russian/soviet lenses, they can be used with my Practikas (or adapted to EF Canons) as normal M42 lenses.
Only the M39 Paxette lenses need a little correction, M39 LTM is for Leica and only adaptable to mirrorless cameras.
Kind regards
Joerg |
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