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woobl
Joined: 15 Apr 2024 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:02 pm Post subject: Separation or Fungus? Nikkor 28mm f2.8 Ai-S CIS |
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woobl wrote:
Hi there,
First time post but hope you can help.
I've just noticed on my Nikkor 28mm f2.8 Ai-S CIS coated lens that there is this marking on the rear element. I can't quite figure out whether it's separation or fungus. The rainbow effect leans towards separation but wonder if anyone can help decide. I guess if it's separation it will be harder to clean, if at all.
Thanks in advance.
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2936 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Never seen a fungus that resembles your picture. But the ai-s has 8 elements in 8 groups, so separation would be strange imo. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2502
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
More like separation but no cementing so maybe some pollution. You can take out the rear element and see if it is cleanable
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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 305 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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BrianSVP wrote:
Normally, I'd 100% say separation, but if that optical diagram is correct, then most likely it's helical grease migrated onto the inner elements. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10570 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Welcome woobl!
Definitely some contamination. Could be fungus that has eaten into the coating giving the rainbow colors -- the lower part looks like fungus too but could be a light reflection. Could be an oil sheen giving the rainbow colors. I any case I'd try cleaning. Oil should wipe off clean. Fungus should wipe off. Fungus damage will not clean. Other contamination YMMV -- may clean; may have damaged coating. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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woobl
Joined: 15 Apr 2024 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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woobl wrote:
Thanks everyone for your responses. This seems to have occurred fairly recently, as I only noticed it on a recent inspection. I'll look to get the rear element off and have a look. |
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jamaeolus
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dejan
Joined: 05 Jan 2021 Posts: 142 Location: Belgrade, Serbia
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Dejan wrote:
Since it's at the rear, it could be oil that migrated from the aperture mechanism or something like that. Because the lens has floating elements, it could me more complicated to reassemble properly (at least I suppose so), so I'd try to keep it as simple as possible. |
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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 305 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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BrianSVP wrote:
Dejan wrote: |
Since it's at the rear, it could be oil that migrated from the aperture mechanism or something like that. Because the lens has floating elements, it could me more complicated to reassemble properly (at least I suppose so), so I'd try to keep it as simple as possible. |
IIRC, the floating element is the first one ahead of the iris. This looks to be behind it, so shouldn't be a problem. |
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