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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 987 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:28 am Post subject: Nikkor 43-86mm f3.5 pre-a/i first frames |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
ISO 64 and f5.6. At 46mm.
On D-810 after home a/i conversion by yours truly.
This frame through the car windshield which is far less than clean.
There was also a fair amount of dust blowing around, just to add to the photographic confusion.
Crop of image above.
Another crop of image above.
A bit glowy for f5.6, but no where near as bad as it's made out to be.
I'm fairly certain this is the original design intent for this lens.
ISO 64 and f8. 86mm.
Pin-cushion distortion at very nearly minimum focus distance and 86mm.
At f8 and ISO 64
A hint of glow again here on this crop.
It will flare with the sun out of the frame.
A hood is going to be an absolute must for this lens.
ISO 64 and f8.
Despite it's warts and foibles, negative internet reviews, and bad press- I like this lens.
Far from technically perfect, I will admit.
It does have a certain amount of character, and slightly odd-ball rendering.
A fun lens that makes interesting images under the right conditions.
I am inclined to believe that it was primarily designed for capturing the human form- which it does with interesting effect.
I also believe there are a lot out there that have panned this lens, without even trying it...
-D.S. _________________
D-810, F2, FTN.
35mm f2 O.C. nikkor
50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
"Ain't no half-way" -S.R.V.
"Oh Yeah... Alright" -Paul Simon |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 516
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:57 am Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
A nice early zoom lens I would like to own someday. I am interested to see how it performs at f3.5.
As I'm sure some will be aware, there is a detailed Nikon tale on the history / design of the lens https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0004/index.htm
It seemed like quite a struggle to make at the time. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It's a lens with poor contrast that rapidly loses what contrast it has if you point it in the wrong direction - you have to constantly be conscious of where the sun is. There's not much excuse for how bad it was as other zooms of the same vintage were a lot better. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 987 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
It's a lens with poor contrast that rapidly loses what contrast it has if you point it in the wrong direction - you have to constantly be conscious of where the sun is. There's not much excuse for how bad it was as other zooms of the same vintage were a lot better. |
I'd be interested in it's contemporaries- if there are any.
Apart from the Zoomar for the Bessamatic (which was even worse) there isn't much.
Keppler's review of this lens is available on-line, with some images that he made with it.
Worthwhile reading.
-D.S. _________________
D-810, F2, FTN.
35mm f2 O.C. nikkor
50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
"Ain't no half-way" -S.R.V.
"Oh Yeah... Alright" -Paul Simon
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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 987 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
eggplant wrote: |
A nice early zoom lens I would like to own someday. I am interested to see how it performs at f3.5.
It seemed like quite a struggle to make at the time. |
I haven't used it much wide open yet.
I did one frame indoors under artificial light with it at f3.5, and it appears almost usable.
I'll get it up here later on.
-D.S. _________________
D-810, F2, FTN.
35mm f2 O.C. nikkor
50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
"Ain't no half-way" -S.R.V.
"Oh Yeah... Alright" -Paul Simon |
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jmkmva
Joined: 25 Nov 2010 Posts: 78 Location: MidAtlantic US
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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jmkmva wrote:
This is another good example of a good if not perfect lens which can be fun and useful.
I have had and use both optical design versions of this lens going back to the film only era. The pre AI versions include the original and a later 11 element design used for the AI version. The later is an improvement optically but is heavier.
Enjoy this lens. For more technical information see
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Doc Sharptail wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
It's a lens with poor contrast that rapidly loses what contrast it has if you point it in the wrong direction - you have to constantly be conscious of where the sun is. There's not much excuse for how bad it was as other zooms of the same vintage were a lot better. |
I'd be interested in it's contemporaries- if there are any.
Apart from the Zoomar for the Bessamatic (which was even worse) there isn't much.
Keppler's review of this lens is available on-line, with some images that he made with it.
Worthwhile reading.
-D.S. |
There's a Sun, I forget the specs now, 39-80 I think, a very characterful lens. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1120
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
I've had that heavy character sun , and wasn't sad at all getting rid of it . Macro function might have been interesting, good.mechanical inside that lens very heavy and fast aperture was attractive, but nothing else |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10532 Location: California
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
IIRC, this lens was popular among B&W press photographers. Among non-press photographers reviews are mixed. Which is to say the lens has held interest for me, but even given low price I have yet to try... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 987 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
There's a couple of pics of the lens.
I took this old chrome-nose out this morning for a few minutes and shot a couple at f3.5.
Will have some up here soon.
-D.S. _________________
D-810, F2, FTN.
35mm f2 O.C. nikkor
50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
"Ain't no half-way" -S.R.V.
"Oh Yeah... Alright" -Paul Simon |
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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 987 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
At 43mm wide open.
Crop of image above shows a bit of glow again.
A goldfinch landed in this Black Ash tree above my head.
86mm wide open.
Heavy magenta fringing wide open.
Wide open at about 60mm focal length.
I still like this, despite it's considerable shortcomings.
In some situations, it's very interesting in rendering.
Build quality is excellent on this.
I've had some of it apart to do the a/i conversion, and there's quite a bit of pre-electronic calculator genius on the inside of this one.
The constant aperture cam in it is very interesting.
It could do without the extremely over applied rubbery, stretchy epoxy on the screws.
-D.S. _________________
D-810, F2, FTN.
35mm f2 O.C. nikkor
50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
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