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dudu75
Joined: 08 Jan 2021 Posts: 20 Location: France / Lagny-sur-Marne
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:41 pm Post subject: My brand new Hanimex 400/6.3 + Sony a65 |
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dudu75 wrote:
Hi guys,
I've been reading for a couple of weeks your very interesting posts which led me to buy my first M42 lens : Hanimex 400 f6.3.
For 15€ only, that was a good deal even if I found absolutely no information about it.
I first thought it was a Tokina-made one, reading the Tokina review : https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tokina-rmc-400mm-f63.html
It is not exactly the same shape as you can see below, so not sure it is a clone :
There is a A/M mode for aperture set-up, I used M off-course.
Here are the "raw' pics I took this afternoon to test the lens, very cloudy weather, few light, could not stop-down f6.3 ans ISO 800/1600.
I'm pretty glad with Images quality given the conditions and the fact that focus is a bit challenging due to the ring lenght (thank you Focus peaking !)
_________________ Sony a65 / 500mm Mirror AF f/8 Minolta /
Hanimex MF 400 f6.3 / Panasonic FZ1000 (bridge)
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 760 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
I've got a Tokina-made, T-mount, Tele Lentar 400 6.3 with preset aperture, which looks a bit different from yours (older, though they may be related). It takes nice pictures, but the minimum focus distance is something like 9m, which can be a problem at times. I put extension tubes on it for closer shooting, which works great.
I screw a small tripod into the collar and use it as a hand grip, which makes the lens much easier to control and makes hand-held shooting possible if I can lean against something. |
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dudu75
Joined: 08 Jan 2021 Posts: 20 Location: France / Lagny-sur-Marne
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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dudu75 wrote:
Yes, I should have Taken a monopod, there is dedicated collar. _________________ Sony a65 / 500mm Mirror AF f/8 Minolta /
Hanimex MF 400 f6.3 / Panasonic FZ1000 (bridge) |
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fotografiasol
Joined: 15 Dec 2013 Posts: 62 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:10 pm Post subject: perhaps another brother in this family |
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fotografiasol wrote:
perhaps another brother in this family
http://forum.mflenses.com/various-400-63-t67488.html _________________ fotografiasol |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
I've tried about a dozen generic 400mm f6.3's, various nameplates (D&N, Impakt, prinz-galaxy, paragon [last two are quite common], hanimex...). These are all distinct from, and generally inferior to, soligors and the tokina made ones. The tokinas are two main generations, the 1st gen "stovepipe", no hood, mainly 1960's which can be found as tele-tokinas and as hanimex. palinar, cunor, prinz-galaxy and numerous other marques; the 2nd gen (1970's), with built in hood, as a tokina RMC and as soligor, optimax, hanimex.
TBH I don't recommend the generics. Two reasons; the tokinas and soligors are readily and cheaply obtainable, and the generics can frequently suffer from a milky haze of the rear optics due to glass deterioration.
Your lens however, dudu75, is different again. I have just about never seen this style 400mm f6.3 with a hood, you've got a rare one. As a rule the generics never have a hood. I incline to the notion that this is a late hanimex 400-6.3, in the period before 400-5.6 became the new norm. I have no idea who made it, only that I doubt it was tokina.
I recommend a say 80mm plate on the TM, in order to sit the lens on a bean bag. Your pics look quite decent (and by and large most 400mm 6.3's are quite decent), to really try to get a better sense of the best resolution then tripod mounted pics with a shutter release cable, magnified live iew to nail focus is the usual way to go... and good light. Typically that is normally achieved at f11 ish. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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dudu75
Joined: 08 Jan 2021 Posts: 20 Location: France / Lagny-sur-Marne
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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dudu75 wrote:
Hi MarcusBMG,
Thanks for your feedback, I've read tons of posts from you regarding this 400mm f6.3 and I remember one where you made a rancking with Tokina 2nd, Soligor 3rd (9xxxx serial) and 1st Tamron if I remember well.
Glad to read mine is a rare one I've seen another clone of it branded "Makinon".
That's funny to see your recommandations for better shootings since I'm just back from a session with a fairly good light, a monopod, lower ISO (400/800) and isis stopped-down to f8 and f11. Yesterday ones were shot wide open f6.3 and ISO 1600, bad light. It is absolutely night & day !!
I'm using "focus peaking" function which is great even if I could certainly improve sharpness with magnification feature (step by step).
See below results, no post-processing, original & crop :
[EDIT] I can clearly see a loss of sharpness with these uploads compare to my pc screen, what platform would you recommand to keep original quality ?
_________________ Sony a65 / 500mm Mirror AF f/8 Minolta /
Hanimex MF 400 f6.3 / Panasonic FZ1000 (bridge)
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dudu75
Joined: 08 Jan 2021 Posts: 20 Location: France / Lagny-sur-Marne
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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dudu75 wrote:
Here is my Hanimex clone : the Makinon.
Everything similar, design and technical aspects.
_________________ Sony a65 / 500mm Mirror AF f/8 Minolta /
Hanimex MF 400 f6.3 / Panasonic FZ1000 (bridge) |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
Right so it's a makinon - one of the smaller manufacturers should've guessed that actually, that green ring around the end is quintessential makinon livery.
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Makina Kogaku Kambushiki Kaisha. Makina Optical was founded in 1967 in Gotanda, Shinagawa, Tokyo. According to stories, the company started manufacturing in a garage and employed part time housewives for assembly[1][2] Makina manufactured lenses for OEM branding by other companies such as Vivitar and Hanimex. Starting in 1974 they began selling lenses under their own brand names, primarily Makinon but they also registered the Makinar trademark. (note that Makina, Makinon and Makinar were also brand names used by German company Plaubel prior to the 1970s). Like many small Japanese lens manufacturers, Makina Optical went out of business in the 1980s... |
- wikipedia
Those pics do look quite good, notably little fringing, decent sharpness.
if you have a couple more pics of the lens (bit larger too) that I can use I'll add it to the database on pentax forums (or you can).
As regards posting, it is not uncommon for a forums servers to resize and also reduce the jpg quality. Here on mflenses, if you upload a pic bigger than a certain size (not sure of the exact px st like 1024) , then it is automatically entered in the post as a reduced size, but linked to the larger size. That's quite a good way to go. That's whats happened to the pic here. The code is (I used the code tag here):
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[url=http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20211/big_6337_bbcode1_1.jpg][img]http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20211/6337_bbcode1_1.jpg[/img][/url] |
Alternatively write your post with a link to a pic hosted elsewhere eg flickr. It's helpful to have a bit of understanding of bbcode, its a bit like html but use square brackets. Here on mflenses, just click on the img tag (circled), then enter the url of the image location, then click the img tag again. All done!
(links are automatically recognised, I think if you don't use the img tag, just write in the link then the link will appear as text, and when you click on it the image will appear in a new tab in the browser).
_________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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dudu75
Joined: 08 Jan 2021 Posts: 20 Location: France / Lagny-sur-Marne
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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dudu75 wrote:
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Those pics do look quite good, notably little fringing, decent sharpness. |
Yes they are, especially in good light conditions and correct focus off course.
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if you have a couple more pics of the lens (bit larger too) that I can use I'll add it to the database on pentax forums (or you can). |
Yes, I will, no problem !!
Thanks for the hints for posted images quality.
Above 800 ISO, I will also try shooting in raw mode to save additional sharpness that A65 destroys with noise reduction process. I need to install Lightroom soft. _________________ Sony a65 / 500mm Mirror AF f/8 Minolta /
Hanimex MF 400 f6.3 / Panasonic FZ1000 (bridge) |
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