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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Character is 1000x more to do with the photographer than the lens. Just get a good lens then learn how to use it well.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Character is 1000x more to do with the photographer than the lens. Just get a good lens then learn how to use it well.


Agree 100%. Good to see you back here, Ian. Smile


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Minolta MC Tele Rokkor QE 100mm f3.5, although slightly slower, is an excellent lens.

https://lensqaworks.com/2019/04/10/review-minolta-mc-tele-rokkor-qe-100mm-13-5/


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Best cheap rendering old manual focus lens 100mm/2.8 ? Reply with quote

sergun wrote:

Best cheap rendering old manual focus lens

Priority: canon fd( fdn)

I found rendering of the FDn to be pretty cheap.

Jokes aside, nothing beats Калейнар-5Н in performance/price ratio.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Ed. I have that little Rokkor 3.5/100, aperture is stuck wide open though, must have a look at it one day.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Best cheap rendering old manual focus lens 100mm/2.8 ? Reply with quote

sergun wrote:
... Want compactness and rendering ) Your suggestions, examples.


What do you mean by "rendering"? Low(er) contrast at f2.8, blurred corners and good bokeh...?

My Asahi S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105 is really small, it has quite blurred corners at f2.8 (technically speaking one of the worst 100mm lenses I have), but might be nice as an non-obstrusive portrait lens.

The RE.Auto-Topcor 1:2.8 f=10cm (or f=100mm in later versions) is even shorter; it's a real Sonnar construction. It has a very nice rendering and it is - for a Sonnar - surprisingly sharp & with quite high contrast even at f2.8. Its corners are not perfectly sharp at infinity / f2.8, but stopped down to f5.6 and f8 it's very good.

Both lenses are much smaller than the "ordinary" vintage 100mm lenses (Can FD, Nik Ai, Min MC/MD etc)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a really compact, but really sharp lens that isn't all that expensive if you shop around, and intend to use it on a mirrorless camera - the Contax G 2.8/90, another classic sonnar.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try the 100mm Nikon Series E f/2.8. Excellent little lens. It's not Canon or Minolta or Konica, however.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers Ed. I have that little Rokkor 3.5/100, aperture is stuck wide open though, must have a look at it one day.


It is a good lens (had it and sold it) but the 100 2,5 is the better lens.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nikon E Series 100mm f/2.8


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I've felt the "need" for specifically a 100mm prime, my EBC Fujinon f/2.8 has always served the purpose, so I've not looked any further. However, I do also have a Tamron 90mm f/2.5 and several 135mm lenses, so it's not a focal length I need very often Wink


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canon FL 100mm f3.5 ????


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Character is 1000x more to do with the photographer than the lens. Just get a good lens then learn how to use it well.

I agree )

stevemark wrote:
sergun wrote:
... Want compactness and rendering ) Your suggestions, examples.


What do you mean by "rendering"? Low(er) contrast at f2.8, blurred corners and good bokeh...?

Yes, exactly.

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
the Contax G 2.8/90, another classic sonnar.

I have one. I found it pretty flat in terms of blurring. Great for the landscape.

Excalibur wrote:
Canon FL 100mm f3.5 ????

Perhaps an interesting option. I didn't really find anything.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the FL 3.5/135, sharp but low contrast, I directly compared it to a couple of other 135s a few years ago and it was the worst of the bunch (J11A, CZJ Prakticar(Sonnar) 3.5/135, Komura 3.5/135).


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have the FL 3.5/135, sharp but low contrast, I directly compared it to a couple of other 135s a few years ago and it was the worst of the bunch (J11A, CZJ Prakticar(Sonnar) 3.5/135, Komura 3.5/135).


Well as a film user have no idea the results you can get from the Canon FL 105mm on digital as my Nex 3 with Fotga adapter doesn't work with FL lenses Rolling Eyes But something cheap starting on the bay (£24.50 plus £5 postage) that might be interesting (if any good) is a Soligor 105mm f2.8 with FL mount ????


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kypfer wrote:
Whenever I've felt the "need" for specifically a 100mm prime, my EBC Fujinon f/2.8 has always served the purpose, so I've not looked any further. However, I do also have a Tamron 90mm f/2.5 and several 135mm lenses, so it's not a focal length I need very often Wink


I also like my Fujinon EBC 100 / 2.8. Lovely little lens!


PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming back on this, as a lot of you have mentioned the Nikon E Series 100mm f/2.8. I'm wondering about it for landscape work, so I'm mostly interested in sharpness at infinity across the frame. How does it compare to the Canon nFD 100/2.8? And including the adapter on a mirrorless, is the setup with the Nikon still smaller than with the Canon?


PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ylyad wrote:
Coming back on this, as a lot of you have mentioned the Nikon E Series 100mm f/2.8. I'm wondering about it for landscape work, so I'm mostly interested in sharpness at infinity across the frame. How does it compare to the Canon nFD 100/2.8? And including the adapter on a mirrorless, is the setup with the Nikon still smaller than with the Canon?


When it comes to landscape (" sharpness at infinity across the frame"), the best vintage 100mm lens (pre-1985) are the two Minoltas:

MD 2.5/100mm
MD 4/100mm Macro

Both are excellent wide open, with sharp 24 MP FF corners. The MD 2.5/100mm has slight lateral CAs, the MD 4/100mm Macro has none.

Both these lenses have better FF corner performance than the classical 100mm lenses of Canon (FD / nFD 2.8/100mm), Konica (Hecanon AR 2.8/100mm), Nikon (Ai 2.5/105mm and 1.8/105mm), Topcon (Topcor RE 2.8/100mm), Mamiya (SX 2.8/105) etc.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quidam wrote:
kypfer wrote:
Whenever I've felt the "need" for specifically a 100mm prime, my EBC Fujinon f/2.8 has always served the purpose, so I've not looked any further. However, I do also have a Tamron 90mm f/2.5 and several 135mm lenses, so it's not a focal length I need very often Wink


I also like my Fujinon EBC 100 / 2.8. Lovely little lens!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
ylyad wrote:
Coming back on this, as a lot of you have mentioned the Nikon E Series 100mm f/2.8. I'm wondering about it for landscape work, so I'm mostly interested in sharpness at infinity across the frame. How does it compare to the Canon nFD 100/2.8? And including the adapter on a mirrorless, is the setup with the Nikon still smaller than with the Canon?


When it comes to landscape (" sharpness at infinity across the frame"), the best vintage 100mm lens (pre-1985) are the two Minoltas:

MD 2.5/100mm
MD 4/100mm Macro

Both are excellent wide open, with sharp 24 MP FF corners. The MD 2.5/100mm has slight lateral CAs, the MD 4/100mm Macro has none.

Both these lenses have better FF corner performance than the classical 100mm lenses of Canon (FD / nFD 2.8/100mm), Konica (Hecanon AR 2.8/100mm), Nikon (Ai 2.5/105mm and 1.8/105mm), Topcon (Topcor RE 2.8/100mm), Mamiya (SX 2.8/105) etc.

S
Thanks Steve, very helpful answer. And size-wise, they look ok, esp. the 2.5 one. These are way out of my price range though, as far as I can tell quickly checking on eBay.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an excellent experience with Tamron Adapt-a-Matic 105/2.5. Really wonderful rendering.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: Best cheap rendering old manual focus lens 100mm/2.8 ? Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
sergun wrote:
... Want compactness and rendering ) Your suggestions, examples.


What do you mean by "rendering"? Low(er) contrast at f2.8, blurred corners and good bokeh...?

My Asahi S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105 is really small, it has quite blurred corners at f2.8 (technically speaking one of the worst 100mm lenses I have), but might be nice as an non-obstrusive portrait lens.


His descendant Pentax K 105/2.8 ?


PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Best cheap rendering old manual focus lens 100mm/2.8 ? Reply with quote

sergun wrote:
stevemark wrote:
sergun wrote:
... Want compactness and rendering ) Your suggestions, examples.


What do you mean by "rendering"? Low(er) contrast at f2.8, blurred corners and good bokeh...?

My Asahi S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105 is really small, it has quite blurred corners at f2.8 (technically speaking one of the worst 100mm lenses I have), but might be nice as an non-obstrusive portrait lens.


His descendant Pentax K 105/2.8 ?


The K-mount version has the same optical formula. It is really a portrait lens so never going to be an excellent landscape lens. Something like the Tamron 90/2.5 52B will do much better even though it is a macro and also very well suited for portraiture.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are willing to go with a Nikon mount, the 100mm f/2.8 Series E is a very good choice. They can be found on Ebay for $75-$100.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did I forget the magical Rokkor X 100 / 2.5 Rolling Eyes It's not a cheap lens anymore, but it is a great lens.