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57-58/1,4 mm lens- Minolta or Konica?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:55 am    Post subject: 57-58/1,4 mm lens- Minolta or Konica? Reply with quote

I have buy again the 57/1,4 hexanon lens.

It´s the chrome focus ring one. With intermerdiate cliks between apertures and last coated (it,s seems to be the intermediate version).

I saw a lot of pics taken with the Minolta MC II 58/1,4 lens and I like them very much.

Which of both to choose?


PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy both, then sell one if you need to.


PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: 57-58/1,4 mm lens- Minolta or Konica? Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
I have buy again the 57/1,4 hexanon lens.

It´s the chrome focus ring one. With intermerdiate cliks between apertures and last coated (it,s seems to be the intermediate version).

I saw a lot of pics taken with the Minolta MC II 58/1,4 lens and I like them very much.

Which of both to choose?


Both are good.
Tom

Hexanon 57/1.4

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Minolta 58/1.4

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papasito, I agree with Calvin and Tom, unless you wish to be really spartan and leave only one survivor.

I have the Hexanon under question and a younger version of Minolta, the 1.4/50 one, which both give a close IQ. From 5m to infinity you'll hardly tell which one is which. They differ more in bokeh and in some extent in colour saturation (different accents). I use both pretty randomly, finding in this particular moment that f1.8 Planars are more versatile. So, it's more a question of joy of choice rather than of IQ championship.


PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the Minolta there are apparently two slightly differening versions, the Auto-Rokkor and the MC version. The Auto-Rokkor has 2 variants, one with 6 aperture blades and a 52mm filter ring, and an earlier one with 8 blades and the standard 55mm filter. The later MC version is supposed to be the better version to get.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned a Konica 57 1.4 and the later hill and valley Minolta 58 1.4. In short the 57 has an exciting personality with a lot of character and the 58 was very “blah” to me. Maybe it’s because the 58 1.2 Minolta is so good as is the 55 1.7 but the 1.4 just did not seem to really have any character or strong points, I would much rather shoot the 55 1.7. My lens takes are very subjective though, I only keep lenses that have something special that makes me want to shoot them and non of the images I got with the 1.4 had that special something, it just seemed boring. It may be down to sample variation or just to taste. All you can do is shoot as many lenses as you can and keep the ones that feel special to you. For anyone who is considering these lenses I would recommend trying the canon FL 55 1.2 which is a very good lens and surprisingly affordable.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Minolta is a lens that produces lovely rendering and is especially suitable as a portrait lens on APSc. From f2 it is sharp without losing the rendering that is so appropriate to ladies and children.
The Hexanon is sharper at widest aperture in my experience, and its colour render seems richer.
This isn't always what is required, but it is probably more versatile than the Minolta in these circumstances.
I find the Minolta to be softer in its colour palette at wider apertures, and this is a plus when you want that effect.
I have both lenses and am glad I don't have to choose between them.
Tom


PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are both still ridiculously cheap IMHO. Especially with Canikon going mirrorless. So much so that I picked up a half dozen copies of each just as speculation. They render differently. I would give minolta a narrow sharpness edge wide open, but smoother bokeh to the Konica. I have not done any side by sides though.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Bittacy wrote:
I have owned a Konica 57 1.4 and the later hill and valley Minolta 58 1.4. In short the 57 has an exciting personality with a lot of character and the 58 was very “blah” to me. Maybe it’s because the 58 1.2 Minolta is so good as is the 55 1.7 but the 1.4 just did not seem to really have any character or strong points, I would much rather shoot the 55 1.7. My lens takes are very subjective though, I only keep lenses that have something special that makes me want to shoot them and non of the images I got with the 1.4 had that special something, it just seemed boring. It may be down to sample variation or just to taste. All you can do is shoot as many lenses as you can and keep the ones that feel special to you. For anyone who is considering these lenses I would recommend trying the canon FL 55 1.2 which is a very good lens and surprisingly affordable.


I had the fd 55/1,2 ssc. I sold it when had the nFD 50/1,4.
I sold it and returned to konica 50/1,7. And....


PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
The Minolta is a lens that produces lovely rendering and is especially suitable as a portrait lens on APSc. From f2 it is sharp without losing the rendering that is so appropriate to ladies and children.
The Hexanon is sharper at widest aperture in my experience, and its colour render seems richer.
This isn't always what is required, but it is probably more versatile than the Minolta in these circumstances.
I find the Minolta to be softer in its colour palette at wider apertures, and this is a plus when you want that effect.
I have both lenses and am glad I don't have to choose between them.
Tom


Thank you, Tom. Very much


PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

I will stay with my Konica in this range (57_58 mm).

I have two new lenses. MC Apo Telezenitar 135/2,8 and Nikkor Ais 28/2,8.

Two nice lenses, I hope so.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
Thanks guys.

I will stay with my Konica in this range (57_58 mm).

I have two new lenses. MC Apo Telezenitar 135/2,8 and Nikkor Ais 28/2,8.

Two nice lenses, I hope so.


Just to round this out a little, here are two images shot moments apart of the same subject, same light, same exposure and from a fixed tripod.
Both at f1.4
First is the Hexanon, second the Minolta.
Hexanon colour is a little richer and the Minolta less so.
Other than that there is little between them
Tom




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
papasito wrote:
Thanks guys.

I will stay with my Konica in this range (57_58 mm).

I have two new lenses. MC Apo Telezenitar 135/2,8 and Nikkor Ais 28/2,8.

Two nice lenses, I hope so.


Just to round this out a little, here are two images shot moments apart of the same subject, same light, same exposure and from a fixed tripod.
Both at f1.4
First is the Hexanon, second the Minolta.
Hexanon colour is a little richer and the Minolta less so.
Other than that there is little between them
Tom




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Thank you Tom

Very clare your point

Useful


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both. On paper the Konica is better. Closer minimum focus distance to the Minolta. Half stops throughout the range. Minolta goes from f/1.4 to f/2. However, I have been unable to part with the Minolta. The bokeh is always smooth from the Minolta and there is just something about the rendering.


PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read all the post and cos that I purchased the minolta MCII 58/1,4.

I'm waiting for it now. In June 4th will arrive.

Will have the two. Konica 57/1 4 and Rokkor MC 58/1 4.


So can see the rendering of both by miself


PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
I have read all the post and cos that I purchased the minolta MCII 58/1,4.

I'm waiting for it now. In June 4th will arrive.

Will have the two. Konica 57/1 4 and Rokkor MC 58/1 4.


So can see the rendering of both by miself
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from some bokeh tests, i've never carefully compared these lenses. I don't expect many differences, but i will have a closer look at them tomorrow. Complementary to Oldhands images, i will go for the infinity range.

S


PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
Apart from some bokeh tests, i've never carefully compared these lenses. I don't expect many differences, but i will have a closer look at them tomorrow. Complementary to Oldhands images, i will go for the infinity range.

S


My expectation is the Minolta may has a bit longer FL (near 61 mm un FF)?


And the rendering will not be far than the post of OH shows, for sure.


PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
... i will have a closer look at them tomorrow. ...


Weather was/is terrible today here in central Switzerland, lots of wind an rain - which means no testing today. Sorry Wink

S


PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
stevemark wrote:
... i will have a closer look at them tomorrow. ...


Weather was/is terrible today here in central Switzerland, lots of wind an rain - which means no testing today. Sorry Wink

S



Well, I have now both lenses.

The Rokkor - PF is a bit longer FL. As In Artaphot is written.


PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is your impression? Konica or Minolta?