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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:01 am    Post subject: Earliest Pentacon? Reply with quote
I was reading about interesting Carsten's Pentacon Oreston 1.8/50: http://forum.mflenses.com/pentacon-oreston-1-8-50-t41226.html

Firstly i thought Pentacon branding appeared with serial number 6... After checking upon my collection i found i was wrong. My earliest Pentacon 1.8/50mm is marked: #5703757

What is your lowest early Pentacon lens serial? I am emphasizing early because numbers were probably reset when number reached around 10.000.000. Thus you'll find low numbers on late MC variants. They don't count here.

Another side of the coin question would also be interesting. Last Meyer-Optik Grlitz lens serial?


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My Pentacon auto 1.8/50 zebra styling on the mount end with the pentacon symbol on the front ring is #5934094
You can see it HERE


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have Pentacon auto 2.8/29 Multi Coating with #2,553,859 ... might it be #12,553,859, or i "have a winner"? Smile


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't know how the numerings are given. Confused
My lowest serial numbers on Pentacon 50mm 1.8 are 3855362 and 4879339
Numbers on my Meyer Oreston 50mm 1.8 lenses are 4938513 (M42) and 5345530 (Exakta RTL).
What can I say about that Question


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My Lydith has number 4152449.
Orestor 135/2.8 is 5033027.
Pentacon 50/2.8's are 1219738 and 5959836.
Pentacon 30/3.5 is 8746400.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minolfan wrote:
Don't know how the numerings are given. Confused
My lowest serial numbers on Pentacon 50mm 1.8 are 3855362 and 4879339
Numbers on my Meyer Oreston 50mm 1.8 lenses are 4938513 (M42) and 5345530 (Exakta RTL).
What can I say about that Question


Multicoated Pentacons 1.8/50mm didn't exist before #6.000.000. So yours are quite late and after # reset.
See Mo's sample bellow:


The transition from Meyer to Pentacon occurred somewhere between 5.5M and 6M.

Bob van Sikorski wrote:
I have Pentacon auto 2.8/29 Multi Coating with #2,553,859 ... might it be #12,553,859, or i "have a winner"? Smile

Nope, it's MC.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Funny thing is, i got a (from the looks pretty late) Domiplan here with an 8 digit serial. (10,435,633)

Where they independently numbered? or just the only lenses that actually got real 8 digit serial?


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
spoilerhead wrote:
Funny thing is, i got a (from the looks pretty late) Domiplan here with an 8 digit serial. (10,435,633)

Where they independently numbered? or just the only lenses that actually got real 8 digit serial?


At least for 1.8/50mm there is quite obvious continuity in numbering that goes all the way to 10M. There is good chance the same goes for 29mm and 135mm lenses. If they are numbered independently now that is good question. Could be the system is unified.

My last 29mm Meyer Orestegon has number: 5612270.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My last 29mm has 9889495 (not a good one though);
my last 50 pentacon has nr 9097641; higher then my PB-mount Prakticar with 7744511!?


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minolfan wrote:
My last 29mm has 9889495 (not a good one though);
my last 50 pentacon has nr 9097641; higher then my PB-mount Prakticar with 7744511!?


It would be great to get as close as possible to the transitional number. Thus we're looking late Meyers and early Pentacons. Pentacons were still single coated! Most interesting are those around 5.5M.

I would totally exclude Prakticars and all multi coated models. If you have low number Pentacon and it is multi-coated it is late version after 10M reset.


PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here very very early contender serial number 5713373 1.8/50mm Pentacon zebra: Click here to see on Ebay.de


PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
spoilerhead wrote:
Funny thing is, i got a (from the looks pretty late) Domiplan here with an 8 digit serial. (10,435,633)

Where they independently numbered? or just the only lenses that actually got real 8 digit serial?

No, not the only. I've got the Pentacon 50/1.8 MC #10,303,125

Another one Pentacon 50 I have is #5,2..,.... It's a late model (MC), so it's rather #15,2..,...?


PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tond wrote:
Another one Pentacon 50 I have is #5,2..,.... It's a late model (MC), so it's rather #15,2..,...?

Exactly. Well, IMHO.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here you can see extremely late Oreston 1.8/50mm Click here to see on Ebay.de seller verified serial number: 5801381
Does this mean an overlapping exists between the same model late Meyer / early Pentacon lens serials?




PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Few days ago i've found Pentacon Auto 2.8/29 MC with SN: 1201, "like new".

Smile


PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DrBB wrote:
Few days ago i've found Pentacon Auto 2.8/29 MC with SN: 1201, "like new".
Smile

Pancolart wrote:
I would totally exclude Prakticars and all multi coated models. If you have low number Pentacon and it is multi-coated it is late version after 10M reset.


PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: A tricky question Reply with quote
A small-zebra Pentaflex Auto-Color 50/1.8 s/n 6858055 - is it Meyer or Pentacon?

I also found Meyer-Optik Domiplan s/n 67047134


PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: A tricky question Reply with quote
Piktuolis wrote:
A small-zebra Pentaflex Auto-Color 50/1.8 s/n 6858055 - is it Meyer or Pentacon?

I also found Meyer-Optik Domiplan s/n 67047134

Pentacon. Transition happened around 5.5M. Frankly it seems some overlapping occurs. As if Pentacon did not continue Meyers numbering but started approximately where Meyer ended.

As this is search for "first" Pentacon it is also the search for last Meyer Smile.

Minolfan wrote:
Numbers on my Meyer Oreston 50mm 1.8 lenses are 4938513 (M42) and 5345530 (Exakta RTL).


PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, higher Meyer, lowest Pentacon SN?

Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Orestor 2.8/135 - 4084095
Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Domiplan 2.8/50 - 4300881

Pentacon 4/300 - 5692483
Pentacon 4/200 - 6090322



(GSM camera, sorry for awful IQ)

Last edited by DrBB on Fri May 30, 2014 10:44 am; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DrBB wrote:
So, higher Meyer, lowest Pentacon SN?
Pentacon 4/300 - 5692483

Seems to be a very early Pentacon. Congrats Smile!

I went through listed lenses on Meyer tribute page: http://home.arcor.de/cpqrst3/Orestor.html
Last Meyer there is 5596278 Orestor.

After read this: http://photobutmore.de/exakta/meyer/
Especially the part: 6. Ausfhrung - Objektive aus der Pentacon-Zeit nach 1970
...there is another explanation for overlapping of Meyer / Pentacon. Serial numbering could be considered unified (single line) but sometimes lenses were still made with Meyer name even after the introduction of Pentacon. Might be some kind of Jubilee / Anniversary purpose edition.

According to above reasoning to establish the breaking point IMHO first Pentacon is a bit more important then last Meyer.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Despite this being a search for "first" Pentacon and "last" Meyer i'd like to share my earliest
Oreston 1.8/50mm zebra serial: 4182954.

Just found super late Orestor serial 584...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MEYER-OPTIK-ORESTON-50mm-f1-8-EXAKTA-lens-Fits-Canon-Pentax-Sony-MFT-Fuji-EXC/231421916422


PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My latest Oreston 50mm is Nr. 4962770.
My earliest Pentacon 50mm is Nr.5833472.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll have to have a rummage through the collection...

I may be some time...

🤣

I may be in running for latest Pentacon number though but its a CZJ branded lens.. 🤔🤣


PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pancolart wrote:


The transition from Meyer to Pentacon occurred somewhere between 5.5M and 6M.


OK so my Meyer Orestor 50 has a serial number 5824291 and my (identical in all but name) Pentacon 50 has a serial of 5946639 so about 140,000 ish apart..

So that narrows it down to close to the 5.9M mark... 😁


PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
OK spanner in works.

I have a Pentacon Auto, serial number 5725786

Weird thing is, if these lenses were all being produced in the same factory why would some earlier numbers be branded Pentacon and not Meyer?

East German logic? Central planning? 🤣
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